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LiamO said:
Cheers for your input on this 'see things in my black & white way or I'll stamp my feet' thread butch
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Oh god, here comes the grey, the kids and the save them nunnery. We have established nearly a 100 years far-right activity for the people involved here. They're not kids. They're not being influenced by anyone but the far-right.
 
One point worth talking about here is the now effective political separation between anti-racism and anti-semitism. To be the former is to be placed out of bounds, to be the latter is qui_twats.jpeg

We're anti-racists, that's why we have done this.
 
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LiamO said:
Wilf Perhaps you could be a little more specific about what exactly you are implying? Thank you.
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I'm implying nothing, it's the implication in your post I'm getting at:

Can anyone point me to something that shows the point this 'comedian' is actually trying to make rather than the myriad of pieces showing what various interest groups have decided he is trying to make?
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In posting that you seem to have some reasonable expectation that the 'comedian' is being misrepresented or is saying something entirely different - or why would you raise the issue at all? You clearly think the 'interest groups' (Jewish groups? Anti-Racists? Who do you mean?) have got it wrong, have jumped in, have made assumptions. Clearly, you think the 'comedian' may be making a more noble point, may be pointing us to something better, wiser? Yes?
 
LiamO said:
I dunno. That's why I asked the question.

I was on my way to bed full of pints and a cursory google produced rent-a-quotes from talking heads. I figured someone would be along who knew some background.
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You've been given plenty of background and yet you still persist with this idiocy? Or are you still full of pints?
 
liam said:
I am always suspicious of tabloids crying 'RACIST'... so should you be. For example the Roy Hodgson 'Monkey' debacle...
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The one where no one at called him a RACIST?

And this story was in the papers that you think only quality people read.
 
J Ed said:
Le Pen is his daughter's godparent FFS
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He gave an award to Robert Faurisson in public, aye that Faurisson, the 'New Right' Holocaust denier. He stood on an election ticket with ex FN executive and anti-semite Alain Soral, not exactly the behaviour of someone critical of anti-semitism.
 
Watch liam shift from what point the comedian "is actually trying to make" to simply asking what people supporting him means socially - whilst ignoring the special interest groups that he suggested were making it up. To do that would be acknowledging the accuracy of their claims. Where he to do this honestly he would have to have a look at his second post on this thread and say that it wasn't up to snuff.
 
LiamO said:
Lots of people have since posted lots of incriminating stuff (thank you btw), although I have still to see...

a) what the 'Comedian' himself has to say.
b) In what context did this all start? And how has it evolved? For example both young black people from the ghettoes and the Front Nationale both going for it? WTF is that all about?
c) Has aforesaid 'comedian' made any attempt to distance himself from some of those who have adopted his apparently Trademarked sign. Or is he happy with how things have progressed?
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What he has to say? Examples have already been given:

"During his one-man show, he attacked Patrick Cohen, a Jewish radio journalist who has publicly criticised him. Dieudonné said: “When the wind turns, I don’t think he’ll have time to pack a suitcase. When I hear Patrick Cohen talking, you see, I think of gas ovens.”"

In what context? It's already been pointed out who he is happy to work with, that he picked La Pen As the god parent of one of his children. Has he made any attempt to distance himself from anti-semitism. You now want people to prove a negative?

It is hard to interpret your posts as anything other than a poor attempt at defending the indefensible through sophistry.
 
LiamO said:
Can anyone point me to something that shows the point this 'comedian' is actually trying to make rather than the myriad of pieces showing what various interest groups that decided he is trying to make?
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Look, you even emphasised actually as if to say that there is a point that he was really making that's worth a listen to, that's being hidden. Sort it out. Sort yourself out.
 
butchersapron said:
Why can't anyone say, wow, this is pretty anti-semitic. I'm not anti-semitic. I wish i hadn't done this. (here's some money for local anti-racist groups)
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If you hate Jews and your mates hate Jews then you aren't gonna do that, are you?
 
There isn't even any of the classic 'some of my best mates are Jews', probably cos if they said that then their Jew hating mates would get upset.
 
I think its supposed to be sticking an arm up someones arse and the the raised hand showing how far, ie the level of disdain for the object of derision. The French are crude imbeciles though and I agree with some of the analysis on this thread that it is broadly a disturbing fusion of right/left/conspiracy theory populism which I've come across in the UK with parts of Occupy et al.

A couple of English language pages from a month ago.

http://counterpsyops.com/2013/11/28/the-quenelle-the-new-sign-of-resistance/

http://antisemitism.org.il/article/83512/quenelle-jew-game
 
IC3D said:
I think its supposed to be sticking an arm up someones arse and the the raised hand showing how far, ie the level of disdain for the object of derision. The French are crude imbeciles though and I agree with some of the analysis on this thread that it is broadly a disturbing fusion of right/left/conspiracy theory populism which I've come across in the UK with parts of Occupy et al.

A couple of English language pages from a month ago.

http://counterpsyops.com/2013/11/28/the-quenelle-the-new-sign-of-resistance/

http://antisemitism.org.il/article/83512/quenelle-jew-game
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Fans of the antisemitic comedian Dieudonné have started a new game: get a picture of yourself making the 'quenelle salute', a backwards Nazi salute, next to Jewish or Israeli places. Or even better: next to a group of Jews.
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IC3D said:
I think its supposed to be sticking an arm up someones arse and the the raised hand showing how far, ie the level of disdain for the object of derision. The French are crude imbeciles though and I agree with some of the analysis on this thread that it is broadly a disturbing fusion of right/left/conspiracy theory populism which I've come across in the UK with parts of Occupy et al.

A couple of English language pages from a month ago.

http://counterpsyops.com/2013/11/28/the-quenelle-the-new-sign-of-resistance/

http://antisemitism.org.il/article/83512/quenelle-jew-game
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Nothing like a sweeping generalisation, eh? :rolleyes:
 
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