Anelka's quenelle

[phildwyer]

It does, and is it unreasonable to think that a comedian who is publically and consistently antisemitic and does songs that take the piss out of the holocaust might have Nazis among their fans?

I didn't say it was.

You're doing it again.

 

[frogwoman]

I didn't say it was.

You're doing it again.

No I'm not, I asked you a question, I didn't say you thought it was

 

[phildwyer]

No I'm not, I asked you a question, I didn't say you thought it was

Of course it's not unreasonable.

I've never denied that Dieudonne is anti-semitic. I've denied that he is right-wing.

 

[JimW]

There was that old Anglo-Saxon name Godgifu means same iirc

 

[frogwoman]

Of course it's not unreasonable.

I've never denied that Dieudonne is anti-semitic. I've denied that he is right-wing.

But i thought you said the quenelle wasn't antisemitic

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I was waiting for a bus today beside the Talmud Torah school. It's an elementary jewish school. On the side of the building along the road, concrete barriers are installed between the sidewalk and the building, the kind you see at embassies. The bottom row of windows, at about waist height, have been walled in with concrete. The playground is behind high fences, with green material to obscure the vision of anyone trying to look in.

There's a civic-run school one block away. It has none of these security features.

 

[phildwyer]

But i thought you said the quenelle wasn't antisemitic

I said it wasn't necessarily anti-semitic. I don't think Anelka's an anti-semite.

 

[frogwoman]

I said it wasn't necessarily anti-semitic.

I think it kind of is tbh unless you're a complete idiot

 

[phildwyer]

I think it kind of is tbh

Why?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I said it wasn't necessarily anti-semitic. .

The Nazi salute isn't Nazi if a person does it trying to reach a can on the top shelf, either.

So what?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I said it wasn't necessarily anti-semitic. I don't think Anelka's an anti-semite.

The intellectual quibbling is amusing to watch; but there is unfortunately a realpolitik aspect to all of this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...girl-cornered-in-school-and-shot-in-head.html

 

[frogwoman]

Why?

OK well there might have been a few people who didn't know what it meant and they might have just been doing it cos dieudonne is a funny guy or something

But now everyone knows what it means, or almost everyone, and in the UK the only thing he is now known for is antisemitism, and nobody in France could have heard of him and not know the controversy about him

 

[phildwyer]

The Nazi salute isn't Nazi if a person does it trying to reach a can on the top shelf, either.

So what?

So Anelka, the subject of this thread, is not anti-semitic.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So Anelka, the subject of this thread, is not anti-semitic.

Do you know him? Have you met him?

 

[brogdale]

Of course it's not unreasonable.

I've denied that he is right-wing.

Why would you wish to say that?

Working, associating with and befriending senior members of the FN, whilst promoting anti-semitism would appear to be consistent with someone comfortable with the far right.

 

[frogwoman]

So Anelka, the subject of this thread, is not anti-semitic.

I never said he definitely was, he might just be an idiot

 

[Favelado]

And you thought the quenelle looked like a Nazi salute.

No offence, but you're seeing what you want to see here. As are many others.

Of course it looks like a Nazi salute. It features an outstretched right arm and the hand is placed in an identical manner. How doesn't it look like one?

Also, I don't WANT to see one at all. What makes you think that? I don't have an agenda at all on this issue. I'm saying what I see, just as if it was an espisode of Catchphrase.

Casually Red and yourself really have come out with some risible comments in this thread. I don't know if it's worse if you are trolling or if you actually mean this shit. It's probably better if you are both on a wind-up.

 

[phildwyer]

Of course it looks like a Nazi salute. It features an outstretched right arm and the hand is placed in an identical manner. How doesn't it look like one?

The arm points downwards, and they do that thing with the fingers of the other hand.

So it obviously looks nothing like a Nazi salute.

The Communist clenched fist salute looks more like a Nazi salute than the quenelle does.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So Anelka, the subject of this thread, is not anti-semitic.

Some guy makes a racist gesture. He then denies that he meant to be racist.

And you believe him.

 

[phildwyer]

Some guy makes a racist gesture. He then denies that he meant to be racist.

And you believe him.

Yes. Because the gesture is not inherently racist. As we have seen. Did you miss the bit about the suppository?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The arm points downwards, and they do that thing with the fingers of the other hand.

So it obviously looks nothing like a Nazi salute. .

Well there you go: it can't be racist, then.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

the gesture is not inherently racist.

Ah: not inherently racist. Now I'm catching on.

 

[phildwyer]

Ah: not inherently racist. Now I'm catching on.

You catch on fast.

Since it is not inherently racist, it can be used in a non-racist manner.

That's logic that is.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There's nothing inherently racist about a pineapple.

 

[phildwyer]

We're discussing Anelka atm, he has nothing to do with pineapples.

Do you think Anelka is a racist?

 

[Favelado]

You catch on fast.

Since it is not inherently racist, it can be used in a non-racist manner.

That's logic that is.

A cat has 4 legs. A chair has 4 legs. Therefore a chair is a cat. That's logic too. It's still bollocks though.

 

[phildwyer]

A cat has 4 legs. A chair has 4 legs. Therefore a chair is a cat. That's logic too.

No it is not logic.

It is illogical.

That is the opposite of logic.

Something tells me I am unlikely to make much progress in this argument.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

This man is probably just checking his pulse.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

We're discussing Anelka atm, he has nothing to do with pineapples.

Do you think Anelka is a racist?

 

[Favelado]

This man is probably just checking his pulse.

It doesn't look like a Nazi salute at all. We're all just seeing things because we want to.