butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Johnny, before you bombard this thread with stuff that's already been posted numerous times, why don't you have a quick read of it?
Anelka's quenelle
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Johnny Canuck3
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That's the idea. If it looked like a Nazi salute, the French authorities would be arresting people.
Johnny Canuck3
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Oh man.
Look, it's not your fault, that's a perfectly reasonable question.
It's just that we spent most of the thread on this subject already.
Basically, I'm arguing that the "Left/Right" dichotomy is outmoded and useless for understanding C21st politics.
I think Dieudonne is a good example of a figure who transcends this dichotomy.
But I don't want to repeat the whole discussion here. Sorry.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Here is the definitive proof that you haven't bothered reading the thread.Phil liked your post.
Idiocy makes strange bedfellows.
Johnny Canuck3
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Phil liked your post.
Idiocy makes strange bedfellows.
And now the circle is complete.
Phil liked your post.
Idiocy makes strange bedfellows.
Johnny (no cheating now), have you ever seen a photo of Anelka the alleged racist?
Johnny Canuck3
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But of what relevance is that to the question of whether or not hatred/prejudice is being promoted?
Johnny Canuck3
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Yes. Dark skin, bald head, beard.
Johnny Canuck3
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If you're about to say that dark-skinned people can't carry prejudices, you should be careful.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Given that you're arguing the position that i have been for the last two weeks (and i've been far more effective) which bed does this place you in?Phil liked your post.
Idiocy makes strange bedfellows.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
If you're about to say that dark-skinned people can't carry prejudices, you should be careful.
They tend not to make Nazi salutes. As a general rule like.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Really, phil? Really?
Johnny Canuck3
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Johnny Canuck3
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Some in your country would argue that a touch of the Turkish tarbrush could bring their 'white' status into question...
I have no country.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
No country would have you.
Johnny Canuck3
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That's just because you're an old man.
rekil
to menny cranks
Roy Walker was telling jew jokes on NI telly around new years eve! "I asked Mr.Cohen could I borrow his lawnmower. He said alright, as long as you don't take it out of the garden."
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You might claim that Dieudonne is above/beyond the R/L 'dichotomy', but you specifically claimed he "is not right wing".
I'd be interested in how you'd attempt to justify that claim, after all this is a man who certainly does not transcend politics; he has entered elections as a candidate, formed at least one political party and assumed leadership of it. So there's plenty of evidence of his ideological position.
Why are you keen to distance Dieudonne and the PAS from the far right?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Let's clear this dolphin stuff up - again. The gesture is supposed to show how far the dolphins/zionists/jews who secretly run the world are fucking everyone else over. Right up to here!
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Fuckin' idiots.
There's really not much open to question here.
1/ The quenelle itself.
Clearly and obviously inspired by the fascist salute. The straight arm, rigid flat palm etc. Though, yes, it also incorporates an element of gestures such as the bras d'honneur, it's knowing nod to fascism is transparent and deliberate.
The original meaning of the quenelle is of limited importance now anyway. Neither the swastika nor celtic cross, for example, are of fascist origin yet are undeniable symbols of fascism now...in the relevent context.
2/ The inventor of the quenelle.
An anti-semite who happily runs with the far-right, and allows them to run with him. What's to debate here?
3/ Those using the quenelle.
The evidence of it being used with anti-semitic intent is overwhelming. Does that mean that everyone using it, on every occasion, is an avowed anti-semite or fascist. No, of course not, just as not every kid mindlessly flaunting swastikas (Yes, Sex Pistols, I'm looking at you) is a Nazi. That doesn't change the meaning of the quenelle, nor negate the politics behind it.
4/ Does Anelka look like a fascist?
This isn't the first time the white far-right and Muslim groups with a tendency towards anti-semitism have run together. It won't be the last either.
There's really not much open to question here.
1/ The quenelle itself.
Clearly and obviously inspired by the fascist salute. The straight arm, rigid flat palm etc. Though, yes, it also incorporates an element of gestures such as the bras d'honneur, it's knowing nod to fascism is transparent and deliberate.
The original meaning of the quenelle is of limited importance now anyway. Neither the swastika nor celtic cross, for example, are of fascist origin yet are undeniable symbols of fascism now...in the relevent context.
2/ The inventor of the quenelle.
An anti-semite who happily runs with the far-right, and allows them to run with him. What's to debate here?
3/ Those using the quenelle.
The evidence of it being used with anti-semitic intent is overwhelming. Does that mean that everyone using it, on every occasion, is an avowed anti-semite or fascist. No, of course not, just as not every kid mindlessly flaunting swastikas (Yes, Sex Pistols, I'm looking at you) is a Nazi. That doesn't change the meaning of the quenelle, nor negate the politics behind it.
4/ Does Anelka look like a fascist?
This isn't the first time the white far-right and Muslim groups with a tendency towards anti-semitism have run together. It won't be the last either.
As I said, we've been through this before.
He's been a candidate for a party described as "extreme left-wing" etc. His views are a mixture of those traditionally associated with the Left and those traditionally associated with the Right. But you'll really need to read the thread.
Can you do the pineapples too please?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
AFAIK his leftist politics relate to activity at leat15 years ago. I asked you directly how his recent and current ideological position could be described as anything other than right wing, and why you feel personally motivated to deny that.
I assume from your answer that you can't, and don't want to.