It is not altogether bollocks.
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It is not altogether bollocks.
Yes, he advocated Jewish emancipation. And why did he advocate it? Because he thought it would "make the Jew impossible," that's why.
There's really no way around the fact that, by our standards, he was anti-semitic.
Equally there is no way around the fact that, by his standards, he was not.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yes it is, how do you measure 'spirituality' anyway?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
The social role of somebody forced into money lending and living a precarious life at the edge of society was something he would have almost certainly wanted to get rid of. Not the people themselves.
Circumcision's as good a way as any.
He wanted to eradicate the separate Jewish identity.
Today only an anti-semite would take such a position.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Not necessarily, his position was that workers should unite without respect to religion or nationality?
Not in On the Jewish Question, where he argues for eliminating a separate Jewish identity.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
The whole idea that Jews aren't spiritual and don't really believe and are just doing the stuff out of habit, while that is true of some, was something that was made a big deal of and ignores the fact that many Christians are like that as well, don't think you can say one religion is more spiritual than the next.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Doesn't he say that about every identity except class?
Following the law is more important in Judaism than in Christianity.
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presumably you would like to promote it.
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i suppose you consider that to be a major reason why there are more christian than jewish criminals as a proportion of the faith populations.
Even class. Especially class. He wasn't that big on identity.
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but you are.
The religious law, fool.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
that doesn't have anything to do with who believes more and is more spiritual DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Do Jews practice a carnal or a spiritual circumcision?
Do Christians practice a carnal or a spiritual circumcision?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Hell is more important in Christianity, that doesn't mean that no Christians really believe or love God and are just doing it because they're scared of going to hell.
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what, the religious law which includes 'thou shalt not steal'?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
We're talking Leviticus rather than Exodus, I think.
Yes. The whole point of Christianity is that you're allowed to break the law.
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where does it say that in the bible?
Phil has made two big mistakes on this page - open goals for you
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we set them up - you knock them in
Unfortunately I'm in the park waiting for the missus so don't have time until later
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Who gave the Jews the law Phil, according to the religion? Believing in a religion where you have to follow rules (and everyone interprets those rules differently these days) doesn't mean you can't have faith/be spiritual. And for me religion is all about morals and if you are using it as an excuse to allow you to be a cunt then I don't really see a point.
Romans 10.4