Of course it would.
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Of course it would.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
But he didn't associate with the far right did he? Anyway this is a bit silly.
Fool, leave the thread if you have nothing to contribute.
It depends how you define "right-wing."
According to Manny-P's definition, Marx was a "right-winger."
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Starry Wisdom
so you don't know what it means either.
Fool.
It means that in the C19th and early C20th, in the capitalist world, people's political affiliations were determined primarily by class.
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so what you're saying is that all the rich people in parliament shared the same political affiliation.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he was shagging his wifes servant while tappin engels for another fiver to keep the milkman happy. It was a chaotic time man.
Absolutely not true.
He uses "Judaism" as a metaphor for "capitalism," because of such historical reasons as the legal restrictions of Jews to professions such as usury.
If anyone today wrote in those terms, they would be regarded as an overt and obvious anti-semite.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
But he was talking about all religions when he talked about the worldly god being money, that's what I always took it to mean, because even if someone is the most observant person in the world money still controls their life.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
oh god, Marx was an anti-semite is going to be your new thing isn't it? Maybe he was also a wiccan and an enthusiastic practitioner of the sapphic arts
No, he's talking specifically about Judaism. Like most of his contemporaries he regarded Judaism as a worldly or "carnal" religion, as opposed to a soi disant spiritual religion such as Christianity.
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he was thinking that some day someone like phildwyer would come along and auld marx would give him something to post about.
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only on the weekend
I'm saying he wasn't an anti-semite.
I think you'll find he often uses this metaphor in his early debates with the Young Hegelians.
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now you are.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
But he knew that was bollocks though.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Liam, for what it's worth, I was genuinely commenting on what CR said about your motivations. To be honest though that inevitably edges towards being a public discussion of your actual motivations. I should have stuck by what I said about it being your own affair. So apologies to you - and CR for dragging him into it.Righto.
CR, Just read what you wrote again and ermmmm.... wtf?
As others have said, there is a public issue here - and at that level I'd have severe reservations about going anywhere near the church, particularly at this point in history. Same time, don't have to intrude into what are personal decisions on this.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
But if he did so maybe he was just doing it as an example everyone would get? And he speaks in similar terms about Christianity as well. Anyway I am not sure I believe your interpretation because wasn't that passage in the middle of a pamphlet where he took some people to task For not agreeing with Jewish emancipation?
You really are a disingenious boy.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
He must have been a wrong un, he hardly mentioned usury at all.
No, the ad hominem cannot save you now.
I asked you to give me an idea that you consider politically "right-wing."
All you could come up with was anti-semitism.
So I pointed out that this is not a very good definition of "right-wing," since it would force us so to classify Karl Marx, which would be daft.
Now you can have another go if you want. What is "right-wing" in your view?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Serge Ayoub mate. Infamous French Nazi of Lebanese Origin-infamous partly due to being a media darling at one point when the french press had an obsession with french far right and their is quite alot of video footage etc from that time. Dubbed batskin cos of his use of baseball bat. Owns a bar in Paris I think and is into his third way fascism. His group(JNR) was responsible for the murder of Clement Meric it has since been banned by the French state. Recently one of Batskins mates was pictured providing security for Anelka's knob friend at his trial.
As mentioned earlier - the co-owner of the bar (now closed) was Alain Soral - the bloke who co-founded the anti-semitic party (the one in the poster from back on the first or second page) with Anelka's comrade.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Marx wasn't an anti semite, he argued in favour of Jewish emancipation, he didn't associate politically or personally with anti Semites, he didn't argue for an anti-semitic interpretation of capitalism or spend his life trying to mock Jews and take the piss out of/deny atrocities against them. None of which apply to anelka's mate and which do apply to marx, he wanted workers of the world to unite, not everyone to unite against the Jews.
Actually he did take the piss out of them quite a bit.
But I take your point. My point is that, judged by the standards generally applied today, Marx would most definitely be labelled an anti-semite. But Marx was obviously not an anti-semite. Therefore the standards generally applied today are inadequate to determine anti-semitism.