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phildwyer said:
OK, I did.

Now how about you answer mine?

Which of Soral's ideas do you consider "right-wing?"

It shouldn't be difficult, since this terminology seems important to you.
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The fact he was in the FN. The fact he is a rabid anti semite. The fact that he is good mates of Serge Ayoub.
 
manny-p said:
The fact he was in the FN. The fact he is a rabid anti semite. The fact that he is good mates of Serge Ayoub.
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Two guilts-by-association. Rubbish, don't count.

One substantive charge: anti-semitism. That's your definition of "right-wing" then.

"What is the worldly god of the Jew? Money! Very well then, make huckstering--real, practical Judaism--impossible, and we make the Jew impossible!"

So a "right-winger" said that?
 
phildwyer said:
Two guilts-by-association. Rubbish, don't count.

One substantive charge: anti-semitism. That's your definition of "right-wing" then.

"What is the worldly god of the Jew? Money! Very well then, make huckstering--real, practical Judaism--impossible, and we make the Jew impossible!"

So a "right-winger" said that?
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Didn't you try to call the IWCA racist or am I mixing you up with someone else?
 
phildwyer said:
Two guilts-by-association. Rubbish, don't count.

One substantive charge: anti-semitism. That's your definition of "right-wing" then.

"What is the worldly god of the Jew? Money! Very well then, make huckstering--real, practical Judaism--impossible, and we make the Jew impossible!"

So a "right-winger" said that?
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I know it looks dodgy but wasn't Marx referring to any religion when he said that? I thought that he meant peoples lives were governed by money and capital no matter how pious seeming they were And that it was economics that dictated how people behaved more than God. I might have got that wrong though.
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frogwoman said:
I know it looks dodgy but wasn't Marx referring to any religion when he said that? I thought that he meant peoples lives were governed by money and capital no matter how pious seeming they were And that it was economics that dictated how people behaved more than God. I might have got that wrong though.
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The meaning of what he's saying is complicated and debatable. He's alluding to archaic theological differences between Judaism and Christianity, among other things.

But even by the standards of the time, the tone can certainly be called anti-semitic. Nor is it the only statement in such a tone by Marx. In my view however it is silly to take the tone or even the vocabulary that people use as indicative of any seriously-held bigotry. That applies today as much as in 1843.
 
phildwyer said:
The meaning of what he's saying is complicated and debatable. He's alluding to archaic theological differences between Judaism and Christianity, among other things.

But even by the standards of the time, the tone can certainly be called anti-semitic. Nor is it the only statement in such a tone by Marx. In my view however it is silly to take the tone or even the vocabulary that people use as indicative of any seriously-held bigotry.
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I don't see how that has any relevance to someone being involved publically with well known fash, Marx was not mates with volkisch nationalists and certainly had no politica involvement with thwm did he?l
 
frogwoman said:
I don't see how that has any relevance to someone being involved publically with well known fash, Marx was not mates with volkisch nationalists and certainly had no politica involvement with thwm did he?l
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Marx lived in an era when class was obviously the key to politics.
 
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phildwyer said:
The meaning of what he's saying is complicated and debatable. He's alluding to archaic theological differences between Judaism and Christianity, among other things.

But even by the standards of the time, the tone can certainly be called anti-semitic. Nor is it the only statement in such a tone by Marx. In my view however it is silly to take the tone or even the vocabulary that people use as indicative of any seriously-held bigotry. That applies today as much as in 1843.
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So saying something on the lines of 'you fucking kike, with your usury and dislike of Jesus' wouldn't necessarily be antisemitic then?
 
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