Anelka's quenelle

[isvicthere?]

Super rich footballer in right winger schock

I thought he was more of a centre forward.

 

[phildwyer]

Believing in a religion where you have to follow rules (and everyone interprets those rules differently these days) doesn't mean you can't have faith/be spiritual.

I agree.

But believing in a religion where you don't have to follow rules means you have no choice but to be spiritual, since there's nothing else.

 

[phildwyer]

Anyway didn't Jesus say he came to fulfill the law?

Meaning: to end it.

 

[frogwoman]

I agree.

But believing in a religion where you don't have to follow rules means you have no choice but to be spiritual, since there's nothing else.

Er..the church of England?

 

[phildwyer]

Er..the church of England?

I said "Christian."

 

[Wilf]

I thought he was more of a centre forward.

Midfield Generalissimo.

 

[frogwoman]

I said "Christian."

They're Christians, the joke is that they have a reputation for not really believing in God

 

[phildwyer]

They're Christians, the joke is that they have a reputation for not really believing in God

No-one who calls himself a "Christian" is a Christian.

 

[frogwoman]

Yes they

I agree.

But believing in a religion where you don't have to follow rules means you have no choice but to be spiritual, since there's nothing else.

This really used to piss me off with Christian missionaries trying to convert people, the way they just assume that you don't believe in anything and the old testament God is just a cunt who expects everyone to worship him through fear, but as soon as Jesus came along everything was fine, even though if you don't believe in god you're going straight to hell according to the new testament. It also pissed me off when DotCommunist told me how some Christians thought non-jews couldn't pray to God before Jesus came along.

 

[frogwoman]

No-one who calls himself a "Christian" is a Christian.

Yes they are

 

[Pickman's model]

Romans 10.4

that doesn't say 'let's break the law tonight'

 

[Humberto]

Can people with no Jewish anscestry convert to Judaism?

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway didn't Jesus say he came to fulfill the law?

cf 'tex' watson at 10050 cielo drive:

I'm the devil, I'm here to do the devil's business.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can people with no Jewish anscestry convert to Judaism?

yes

next

 

[DotCommunist]

Yes they


This really used to piss me off with Christian missionaries trying to convert people, the way they just assume that you don't believe in anything and the old testament God is just a cunt who expects everyone to worship him through fear, but as soon as Jesus came along everything was fine, even though if you don't believe in god you're going straight to hell according to the new testament. It also pissed me off when DotCommunist told me how some Christians thought non-jews couldn't pray to God before Jesus came along.

thats the deal man, before paul hellenized the gig it was just the heeb dem who were in on the whole salvation thing. Apparently.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes they are

What I mean is, Christianity is arguably opposed to any form of organized religion, because organized religion inevitably involves following rules, and Jesus of Nazareth does seem to have taught that following rules is not necessary for the faithful.

Thus apostasy begins with the passing of the twelve, or even earlier.

This interpretation of Christianity is called Antinomianism.

 

[DotCommunist]

Meaning: to end it.

surely a completion of is not an ending

 

[frogwoman]

thats the deal man, before paul hellenized the gig it was just the heeb dem who were in on the whole salvation thing. Apparently.

That's complete bollocks though.

 

[frogwoman]

Can people with no Jewish anscestry convert to Judaism?

Yes

 

[Pickman's model]

surely a completion of is not an ending

there's a queue of people waiting to complete phildwyer. shall i tell them that?

 

[phildwyer]

the old testament God is just a cunt

Hmmmm.... not exactly the word I would have chosen, but I have to say that this case is not entirely without merit.

 

[DotCommunist]

That's complete bollocks though.

I know lol. I was reading about Samson earlier apropos of nothing and that story reminded me how intensely interested OT God is. Also as a 'finish him' move getting your super strength back and bringing down your enemies temple around his ears is 100% win

 

[phildwyer]

surely a completion of is not an ending

What is it then?

 

[xslavearcx]

What I mean is, Christianity is arguably opposed to any form of organized religion, because organized religion inevitably involves following rules, and Jesus of Nazareth does seem to have taught that following rules is not necessary for the faithful.

Thus apostasy begins with the passing of the twelve, or even earlier.

This interpretation of Christianity is called Antinomianism.

i was always more of a jamesian than a pauline myself, but thats neither here nor there, a cursory reading of the book of acts, and pauls letters would show that there was very different views on attitudes to observance to the torah in circulation; which is also reflected in the conflicting bits of the gospels on that matter, signifying different redactor stances.. But if one would want a coherant view on reconciling jesus's views on law observance, then one would probably place jesus as a proto-rabbi, in line with pharasiac judiaism, where there one could interpret the mitzvot in a continually renewed and meaningful way in line with the circumstances that one was presented with...

 

[frogwoman]

Hmmmm.... not exactly the word I would have chosen, but I have to say that this case is not entirely without merit.

Possibly but the new testament god is even worse in thst case, sending people to hell for not believing in him and changing his mind about everything.

 

[DotCommunist]

What is it then?

a movement or a thought exists after completion.

 

[Pickman's model]

Possibly but the new testament god is even worse in thst case, sending people to hell for not believing in him and changing his mind about everything.

=> two different deities, as marcion postulated.

 

[Pickman's model]

i was always more of a jamesian than a pauline myself, but thats neither here nor there, a cursory reading of the book of acts, and pauls letters would show that there was very different views on attitudes to observance to the torah in circulation; which is also reflected in the conflicting bits of the gospels on that matter, signifying different redactor stances.. But if one would want a coherant view on reconciling jesus's views on law observance, then one would probably place jesus as a proto-rabbi, in line with pharasiac judiaism, where there one could interpret the mitzvot in a continually renewed and meaningful way in line with the circumstances that one was presented with...

=> a jacobite

 

[xslavearcx]

=> a jacobite

quite right!

 

[xslavearcx]

Possibly but the new testament god is even worse in thst case, sending people to hell for not believing in him and changing his mind about everything.

yeah and imagining you did go to heaven and your god was a wishy washy hippy. how bad would that be!!