Anelka's quenelle

[phildwyer]

I know lol. I was reading about Samson earlier apropos of nothing and that story reminded me how intensely interested OT God is.

That's one way of putting it. He expresses His interest quite forcefully here:

"23 And Elisha went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

Disproportionate response see.

 

[Pickman's model]

yeah and imagining you did go to heaven and your god was a wishy washy hippy. how bad would that be!!

heaven's for the people who like things like flower arranging and talking to god. hell is for the sort of people who like other things. it's all made clear in blackadder.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's one way of putting it. He expresses His interest quite forcefully here:

"23 And Elisha went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

Disproportionate response see.

not really, i think it's entirely appropriate. you just don't want to be rent limb from limb by an irate she-bear. coward.

 

[frogwoman]

yeah and imagining you did go to heaven and your god was a wishy washy hippy. how bad would that be!!

A wishy washy hippy who sent people to hell for not believing in him and admitted other people who did believe in him no matter what they had done. I think we had the right idea tbh

 

[Humberto]

Is Psalms a book in Judaism? Its OT so I imagine it would be. Might be wrong though.

 

[xslavearcx]

hippys always have the worst temper tantrums...

 

[Pickman's model]

Is Psalms a book in Judaism? Its OT so I imagine it would be. Might be wrong though.

phil will be along shortly to tell you some utter bollocks. maybe froggy can help you out.

 

[Pickman's model]

hippys always have the worst temper tantrums...

not after altamont

 

[phildwyer]

A wishy washy hippy who sent people to hell for not believing in him

Ah but, what does that mean: "believing in him." Believing in what?

 

[xslavearcx]

not after altamont

just had a quick read on wikipedia article of that concert. Reads like something out of sons of anarchy

 

[DotCommunist]

That's one way of putting it. He expresses His interest quite forcefully here:

"23 And Elisha went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

Disproportionate response see.

you just wanted to introduce baldness into the discussion

 

[ViolentPanda]

If any kid of mine starts nagging me about a Christmas tree and presents I'll chase them into the night

At Pesach. That'll teach 'em.

 

[ViolentPanda]

i suppose you consider that to be a major reason why there are more christian than jewish criminals as a proportion of the faith populations.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Can people with no Jewish anscestry convert to Judaism?

To some "schools" of Judaism, anyway.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's another cracker from pressTV. Galloway and John Rees' favoured publisher. I wonder, would they write and present pogroms programs for the Beobachter in the digital age?

 

[Greebo]

Hmmmm.... not exactly the word I would have chosen, but I have to say that this case is not entirely without merit.

Emotionally labile psychopathic control freak?

 

[frogwoman]

To some "schools" of Judaism, anyway.

No, in every school of Judaism. Theoretically anyway.

 

[frogwoman]

Psalms is a book in Judaism Humberto, there are psalms called hallel which are sung on festivals and during certain prayer services as well. Although weirdly the book that tells the story of Hanukkah appears in some Christian bibles but not the Jewish tanakh (what Christians call the old testament).

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, in every school of Judaism. Theoretically anyway.

Well quite - for some it is pretty "theoretical" rather than actual!

 

[krink]

Here's another cracker from pressTV.

fuck me that is horrendous.

 

[frogwoman]

Here's another cracker from pressTV.

Ugh, new year's resolution get involved in anti cuts/workplace stuff, far more important than anything scum like these could achieve.

Going to see an old comrade from PSC tonight for a drink as it happens, suspect she came to the same.conclusions I did

 

[butchersapron]

Ugh, new year's resolution get involved in anti cuts/workplace stuff, far more important than anything scum like these could achieve.

Going to see an old comrade from PSC tonight for a drink as it happens, suspect she came to the same.conclusions I did

Remember, John Rees and Galloway produce stuff for them. This is exactly how the normalisation of anti-semitism works. Iran funded Anelka's mate's film called 'anti-semitism'. All tied up together. I can't understand why Rees at least hasn't been challenged on this.

 

[frogwoman]

Oh you bastards fuck them all, time to start again.

 

[frogwoman]

Remember, John Rees and Galloway produce stuff for them. This is exactly how the normalisation of anti-semitism works. Iran funded Anelka's mate film called 'anti-semitism'. All tied up together. I can't understand why Rees at least hasn't been challenged on this.

Poisoning the well of the firebox coffee? (Sorry)

 

[frogwoman]

Although the addition of poison would probably improve it. Mashed bananas on toast ffs

 

[butchersapron]

Poisoning the well of the firebox coffee? (Sorry)

Makes me wonder - who really brought down firebox?

 

[frogwoman]

Makes me wonder - who really brought down firebox?

Be a good way for Rees to launch a DVD business

 

[frogwoman]

Ah but, what does that mean: "believing in him." Believing in what?

Believing that he is the son of God (who is also God) and that he died on the cross for all our sins. It says in the new testament that if you don't believe this you're going to hell, ehen he says 'i am the way, the truth and the light, and nobody comrs to the father except through me.' And I don't think that you can say he's against organized religion when he says to Peter 'on this rock I will build my church' why would he say that if he didn't believe Christianity should be a religion?

 

[SpineyNorman]

But he was talking about all religions when he talked about the worldly god being money, that's what I always took it to mean, because even if someone is the most observant person in the world money still controls their life.

As usual the prof is talking out of his arse - it's a reply to either Bauer or Fauerbach (can't remember which) who had written that capitalism, and particularly finance capital, were specifically 'Jewish' and called for the political suppression of Jews. What Marx is doing here is asking what the material basis of what the author he's replying to criticises Judaism for is and (to an extent) defending Jews.

I do think there is a hint of antisemitism in what Marx is saying - in the language - even if the context is taken into account, but even so compared to the society he was living in his views on Jews were pretty progressive. And the interesting thing about your little exchange with Phil here is that when I had this discussion with him he was adamant that there was *no* antisemitism in On the Jewish Question.

There are therefore two possibilities.

Either Phil was so impressed by my arguments that, after a considerable amount of the keyboard flatulence we've become accustomed to from him, he reconsidered and now agrees that I was right and he was wrong. The omniscient professor beaten in an argument by someone who doesn't even have a degree.

Or he's the kind of dishonest debator that changes his interpretation of a text depending on which one supports the argument he's trying to make.

 

[LiamO]

From that Press TV thing...

You can smell the suffering and death. What you can also smell is something else wrong. You see, Auschwitz, at one time credited with the gassing of millions of Jews is, officially, no longer considered a “death camp.”

Definitely not looking for a row here but is the author actually claiming that there is some new research/evidence that claims there was no extermination at Auschwitz?

or is he just playing with semantics on the basis that it was Auschwitz's next-door neighbour, Birkenau, which actually housed the facilities for industrial-scale slaughter?

elbows ?