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Anelka's quenelle

revol68 said:
Has it eve occured to you that these issues framed in such a way are bugbears for euro fash, that euro nationalism isn't just moronic bootboys like the NF but has a particular analysis that essentially replaces class with national units... You'd fit right in, like a good little 3rd positionist.
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Im very well aware of what Eurofash do, look like, how they thrive and all the rest ..thanks. Im also very well aware of the fact theyre going from strength to strength . So confident are they these days that they even lost the run of themselves and targetted a close family member relatively recently , because of his beliefs, which are pretty much identical to mine . Its also fair to say that those particular ones most likely wont be doing it again , the error of their ways having been robustly pointed out to them. Which led them to run screaming to the filth .


Now off you run and shout class at people who wont ever listen to you . In a million years . Something I suspect your actually quite happy about . Professional misfit .
 
DexterTCN said:
My comments stand. I require more than a tabloid headline and some up-their-own-arses urbanites to convince me that Anelka is 'guilty' of anything.

I tend not to get involved once all the usual suspects troop in, it's pointless.

I'm not willing to participate in the customary shit-throwing fest that these threads rapidly become, I have no compulsion to argue with people I don't like.

I would add that what I said was that the tabloid link in the OP mentioned nazis, if VP wants to claim I accused an urbanite of being a nazi he should report it. Post #18
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What are your views on Dieudonne, in light of what has been posted to date?
 
LiamO said:
Stop talking in tongues you tedious bore. Who is batskin when he is at home?

and your post needs some S's I think.
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Serge Ayoub mate. Infamous French Nazi of Lebanese Origin-infamous partly due to being a media darling at one point when the french press had an obsession with french far right and their is quite alot of video footage etc from that time. Dubbed batskin cos of his use of baseball bat. Owns a bar in Paris I think and is into his third way fascism. His group(JNR) was responsible for the murder of Clement Meric it has since been banned by the French state. Recently one of Batskins mates was pictured providing security for Anelka's knob friend at his trial.
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Same goes for the rest of those on the thread who have not condemned anelka , (for whatever reason/s)
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hardly anyone on the thread condemned anelka , as it moved on very quickly . If you were a bit more specific it might help with whatever your trying to get at .
 
manny-p said:
Serge Ayoub mate. Infamous French Nazi of Lebanese Origin-infamous partly due to being a media darling at one point when the french press had an obsession with french far right and their is quite alot of video footage etc from that time. Dubbed batskin cos of his use of baseball bat. Owns a bar in Paris I think and is into his third way fascism. His group was responsible for the murder of Clement Meric it has since been banned by the French state. Recently one of Batskins mates was pictured providing security for Anelka's knob friend at his trial.
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Alain Soral, one of Dieudonnes pals (pictured doing the 'quenelle' at the Shoah memorial in Berlin) co-owns a bar with Batskin.
 
Sasaferrato said:
I must say this whole business astonished me. Like most people, I had never heard of 'La Quenelle'.

On reading about it's originator, it rapidly becomes apparent that it is an anti-Semitic gesture. One cannot know with absolute certainty that this was the intent of the originator, but it becomes apparent that it is an anti-Semitic gesture. The evidence supplied by You Tube is overwhelming.

Jews have have no more amnesty from criticism than anyone else, but when criticism morphs into hate crime, then that is another matter.

I don't have a problem with Holocaust deniers. They are patently wrong, and the historical facts do not support their case. They are 'flat earthers' more deserving of derision than punishment. I am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their view, as long as that view is confined to thought. When those thoughts become deeds, a line is crossed and the legislature becomes involved.

Anelka is guilty, but of what exactly? Even a full blown Nazi salute is not necessarily an offence in Britain, and proving that Anelka is guilty of an offence under UK law is impossible.

This is something that both government and the FA need to ponder over, and decide what action needs to be taken to prevent a recurrence.
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Well put.
 
Re - not condemming. Does he consider it to be more an anti-zionist symbol, or shorthand for anti zionism? I think France has a lot more people from the arab world than Britain which might mean that Palestine is a much more political hot potato. I think it's probably a nasty gesture, but culturally things could be a lot more complex in France.

What's the symbol mean to represent anyway? Something to do with the Holocaust but what? (Sorry I haven't read the thread all the way through).
 
Casually Red said:
And the point Im trying to make is the likes of Camus are only too happy to pick up the anti semitic brush and smear an entire platform by proclaiming Diedonnehe leader of it . And therefore , naturally in a country were the ruling socialists have been intent on invading Syria, taking out Hezbollah, cosying up to Saudi..whose own geopolitical interests correspond precisely with the interests of Washington and Tel Aviv, such analysis of those who oppose them politically should be treated with great caution .
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Diedonnhes has carefully cultivated a culture of celebrity endorsement, his face book page has a section on VIP quenelles, Anelka has by making the very public gesture of support for Diedonnhes in a premiership football match has boosted Diedonnhes profile around the globe,that has the calculated effect of giving Diedonnhes views and anti defamation baiting antics greater exposure than they would otherwise warrant and the opportunity Camus has been waiting for to make political capital since the whole sorry saga began, Diedonnhes having courted this controversy from the out set will invariably use this backlash to try to further his own political career, in cahoots with his mate from block identaire
 
8115 said:
Re - not condemming. Does he consider it to be more an anti-zionist symbol, or shorthand for anti zionism? I think France has a lot more people from the arab world than Britain which might mean that Palestine is a much more political hot potato. I think it's probably a nasty gesture, but culturally things could be a lot more complex in France.

What's the symbol mean to represent anyway? Something to do with the Holocaust but what? (Sorry I haven't read the thread all the way through).
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If you read the thread the whole way through your questions are answered.
 
8115 said:
Re - not condemming. Does he consider it to be more an anti-zionist symbol, or shorthand for anti zionism? I think France has a lot more people from the arab world than Britain which might mean that Palestine is a much more political hot potato. I think it's probably a nasty gesture, but culturally things could be a lot more complex in France.

What's the symbol mean to represent anyway? Something to do with the Holocaust but what? (Sorry I haven't read the thread all the way through).
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This is one you really want to read before posting tbh
 
Casually Red said:
Im very well aware of what Eurofash do, look like, how they thrive and all the rest ..thanks. Im also very well aware of the fact theyre going from strength to strength . So confident are they these days that they even lost the run of themselves and targetted a close family member relatively recently , because of his beliefs, which are pretty much identical to mine . Its also fair to say that those particular ones most likely wont be doing it again , the error of their ways having been robustly pointed out to them. Which led them to run screaming to the filth .


Now off you run and shout class at people who wont ever listen to you . In a million years . Something I suspect your actually quite happy about . Professional misfit .
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Your politics are perfectly in keeping with national bolshevism.

As for misfit, well I'm not the sad cunt sat in England going on about the inalienable rights of the Irish nation.
 
revol68 said:
Your politics are perfectly in keeping with national bolshevism.

As for misfit, well I'm not the sad cunt sat in England going on about the inalienable rights of the Irish nation.
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Too right. Send 'em all back I say. If they don't like england they should fuck off back to where they come from. :facepalm:

PS. whatever gave you the idea cr lives in england, Mr Smallcock?
 
And fuck off liam o you plastic padcunt, imagine baptising your kid into Catholicism cos you are a sad cunt desperate for an identity.
 
ViolentPanda said:
You're confusing rhetoric and labelling for practice. Don't go by names, go by actions.
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Those specifically Marxist-Leninist (Stalinist) labels given to various societies did point to certain political practices whether we agree with them or not. And they were given depending on the readiness (or not) a society was believed to be at for a move to full socialist transition. You and me may think it incorrect to see that system of state ownership as socialism, but that's what they understood it to be, and sincerely.

It wasn't always mere rhetoric, although there are the fickle reformulations of such theory, re the Soviet Union and the European People's Democracies by the late 1940s, for example, and a corresponding but more independent adaptation by Mao and others in China before the Communist victory, on how a Communist-led but pre-socialist society can organise itself ready for such a full transition.

Happy New Year, by the way.
 
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