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Anelka's quenelle

Delroy Booth said:
Are you calling me a fascist then?

Come tell us more about what else I do that's functionally identicle to the far-right. Holocaust denial perhaps? Any examples of the far left-wingers here engaging in this?
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Sassferato is genuninely not worth bothering with, an absolute waste of space on here (cldnt give a fuck what he's like in IRL, his sort normally keep themselves to themselves ime , or else are easily swerved) trots out the same old tired right wing drivel as if it somehow contained some essential kernel of objective wisdom, and then folds like the melt he is when he gets properly found out ( eg : Hillsborough ). Needs to be ignored.
 
Delroy Booth said:
I'm not retracting fuck all you've made your choices you live with 'em. You apologise bag carry and defend this anti-semitism then expect worse.
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I'm not reporting the post where you said I hate Jews :)

I will have a laugh about it though. And at you and your little mob...defending the right to express hate and spit venom in the name of morality.

Oh...as to expecting worse from you...you are over-estimating the effect, if any, you're having.

Emptiest drum, loudest noise. See?

You have a good New Year.
 
Sasaferrato said:
There is no functional difference between extreme left and extreme right. Stalin and Hitler were two sides of the same repressive and murderous coin.
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Women. Hitler wouldn't countenance women fighting in the army and working in factories. In the battle of Stalingrad, teenage girls fought off Panzer divisions and their mothers dug trenches in the ice and built tanks. It was the women what won it. And the Nazis took the piss and called them soldiers in skirts until they got the shit kicked out of them. Does that count as a functional difference?
 
DexterTCN said:
I will have a laugh about it though. And at you and your little mob...defending the right to express hate and spit venom in the name of morality.
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How dare we call out the anti-semites in our midst.

Take your bullshit to stormfront.
 
DexterTCN said:
And at you and your little mob...defending the right to express hate and spit venom in the name of morality.
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What a pathetic, pathetic little creature you are, calling someone out claiming they are doing exactly what you are doing as regards anti-semites.
 
elbows said:
His abbreviated CV on several sites does seem to dwell on those areas, but when doing stuff like machine-translating his french wikipedia page, it seems he has done plenty of studies of the far-right too. Here is a not terribly interesting english example of him being interviewed about the National Front a few years back:

http://www.blog.schattenbericht.de/...-makes-ground-interview-with-jean-yves-camus/

Certainly the aspect you've decided to dwell on deserves further exploration. However its largely part of a messy debate that has raged for decades about whether there is a 'new antisemitism', an argument that is fraught with pitfalls and people on all sides who drag it straight to the worst extremes.

Rather than go there, and get bogged down in issues related to Israel, I would rather focus on other aspects of antisemitism and the things that drive it. For example there are reasons why u75 seems to have had more threads where we've had to point out dodgy anti-semitic aspects of peoples stances in recent years, and they certainly aren't popping up because of some recent behaviour by Israel.

Cynicism, both reasonable and excessive, along with inadequate responses to it (e.g. lack of meaningful change), is certainly a big factor. A desire for simple explanations and scapegoats has always seduced some. So any analysis which suggests that some people are attracted to the idea of scapegoating in a manner that lets the actual ideological, economic & political flaws that caused the crisis off the hook, will get my attention. That the economic crisis appears to have been handled in a manner thats propped shit up and been used to further certain agendas that probably give capitalism another cycle of life & profit, has left room for this stuff to fester. Whether events will bring any of it to a head is as uncertain as ever, but in the meantime the momentum and acceptability of certain stuff should be watched closely and countered where possible. Meaningful alternatives would be nice but cynicism has extended in so many directions that suffocation is rampant.
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very good post, and thamks too for actually reading what I wrote
 
FNG said:
Unfortunately Dieudonnehe is Camus straw man made flesh,he is tying his very public anti-semitism to an anti-establishment ticket,whilst simultaneously forming electoral pacts with Sorel and co. Smearing a vast swathe of people on the left in the process.
http://nemesistv.info/video/7B59DE8...n-soral-dieudonne-vincent-lapierre-zohra-mahi
http://www.wat.tv/video/dieudonne-hommage-hugo-chavez-5tmi5_5djiz_.html

Aledgedly his next film "explores" jewish involvement in the slave trade :facepalm:
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And the point Im trying to make is the likes of Camus are only too happy to pick up the anti semitic brush and smear an entire platform by proclaiming Diedonnehe leader of it . And therefore , naturally in a country were the ruling socialists have been intent on invading Syria, taking out Hezbollah, cosying up to Saudi..whose own geopolitical interests correspond precisely with the interests of Washington and Tel Aviv, such analysis of those who oppose them politically should be treated with great caution .
 
phildwyer said:
Obviously Dieudonne associates with both the extreme left and the extreme right. He seems to draw support from both too.

So rather than a left or rightist we might call him an "extremist," or perhaps what he calls himself: "anti-establishment."
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or an attention seeker, self publicist, professional controversialist who without doubt when it suits him would sell his associates from whatever quarter down the river in a heartbeat .
 
Casually Red said:
Ive already described him as anti semitic in a previous post . The trend of only seeing what you want to see obviously continues .
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No, I saw it, but the rather pointless 'attention seeker' comment frankly detracts from what he is. Makes him out to be just a bit of a dafty when we both know he's more than just a dafty.
 
Fedayn said:
No, I saw it, but the rather pointless 'attention seeker' comment frankly detracts from what he is. Makes him out to be just a bit of a dafty when we both know he's more than just a dafty.
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Like I said I already described him as anti semitic in my previous post about him . How about you dont try and write my posts for me and Ill not tell you what to write ? Alright mush ?
 
This thread sums up Urban perfectly. When the whole Anelka thing came about I was firmly under the impression that the quenelle was some kind of facile youth anti-establishment bollocks being blown out of proportion by journalists looking for someone to smear, but the wiser heads amongst you showed evidence of how sinister this shit really is.
Consequently you have all simultaneously educated me and amused me greatly by turning this serious subject into an almighty bun fight.
Happy New Year one and all
 
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