Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
I've found a lot of the thread very informative tbf. Have you read it?
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I've found a lot of the thread very informative tbf. Have you read it?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Stalin and Hitler were both totalitarian. Their respective positions as leaders of regimes, one of which was founded on left-wing principles, the other on right-wing principles, is immaterial. Swap the pair of them, and they'd both have arrived at the same point of totalitarianism, because they were both the sum of their influences and personal prejudices and insecurities.
There's plenty of functional difference between the extremes of left and right, and waving examples of totalitarian regimes does nothing to illuminate the issue, it just shows the waver up as someone who should perhaps sit and have a bit of a think.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
TBF, there's been an ongoing issue of interaction between European "green" and hard-right politics for over a hundred years now. "Green fascist" is a pretty old charge.
What he's saying is there's "no functional difference" so we do the exact same things as the far-right. Y'know like holocaust denial or racist murders.
On the level of everyday experience what Sass is saying is what we do here is no different in any way to what the far-right do - and although we might claim to be opposed to racism and inequality but functionally we are just as racist and supporting of authoritarian conversativism and propping up the traditional capitalist power structures as they are.
On the level of everyday experience what Sass is saying is what we do here is no different in any way to what the far-right do - and although we might claim to be opposed to racism and inequality but functionally we are just as racist and supporting of authoritarian conversativism and propping up the traditional capitalist power structures as they are.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No. Here, I'll try and make it simple for you:
Black Muslims can be anti-Semites and even "rightwing extremists".
See, not difficult is it, you twat!
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Ah, but you've always been a left wing apologist...
Can you name one country that has been hard left or hard right that hasn't been a virtual dictatorship? Start by looking at countries with 'Democratic' or 'People's' in their name.
Fucking hell there's phil dwyer (back from the Undying Lands) Sass and Dexter and not to mention LiamO and Casually Red, all on the same thread here.
There's really no hope for anything worthwhile to come of this (and pretty much any other) thread on the forum.
There's really no hope for anything worthwhile to come of this (and pretty much any other) thread on the forum.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
standard centre right mantra ennit? only fiscal conservatism and limited social liberalism is sane, everything else is murderous loonbat
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Well, it is. Although the mantra is usually used against authoritarians, and libertarians are even worse.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Ah, but you've always been a left wing apologist...
Can you name one country that has been hard left or hard right that hasn't been a virtual dictatorship? Start by looking at countries with 'Democratic' or 'People's' in their name.
No, can you defend your previous comments where you compared me (a far-left extremist) with the fascists. Claimed that there's "no functional difference" between me and them infact.
Any chance you could back up that smear with anything concrete you monumental fuckwit?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Anti-establishmentism is the way the rich use power.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Ah, but you've always been a left wing apologist...
Can you name one country that has been hard left or hard right that hasn't been a virtual dictatorship? Start by looking at countries with 'Democratic' or 'People's' in their name.
North Korea aka The People's Democratic Republic.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There are many similarities between all ultra-nationalisms.
In the case of Zionism, though, I distinguish "nationalist Zionism" because it's the dominant political force and political motivation in the state of Israel (almost the entire political spectrum operates on the premise of the centrality of the security and perpetuation of the Zionist state as the essential political practice within the state of Israel).
Prior to the formation of the state of Israel, other Zionisms existed. Socialist and co-operative Zionisms for example, that weren't centred around the idea of a separate Jeiwsh state, but merely on living in the "homeland" and working the soil in co-operation with the other inhabitants, regardless of their race/ethnicity/culture.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
North Korea aka The People's Democratic Republic.
Democratic Peoples Rebuplic of North Korea
I can't recall if you're one of them, but plenty of soi disant Left-wingers here support draconian law'n'order policies, vigilantism, the police lecturing in schools etc.
Right Dexter hasn't bottled it, Dexter hates Jews and Israel and supports anyone who likes to have a go at the Jews. He literally thinks people who critisize George Galloway do so because they're part of the Zionist agenda/JIDF.
Casually Red is a fucking idiot who's not an anti-imperialist, socialist or left-winger of any kind. He's a bigoted nationalist gobshite who would be in the Tory party had he been born by some fluke of circumstance over this side of the water. He just so happens to be born in a country where the dominant nationalism pays lip-service to anti-imperialism but that's it.
LiamO I don't know I assume he's trolling but his poltics are just as shit and reactionary as CR and as a result brings nothing to this place.
Sass is a straightforward useful idiot type of conservative, the type of conservative who dismisses anything outside a narrow status quo as being murderous and totalitarian, without having the intelligence to realise that that the status quo to be maintained rests upon violence and murder and by excluding all extremism is also exhibiting a type of totalitarianism of it's own - which he's perfectly fine with.
Casually Red is a fucking idiot who's not an anti-imperialist, socialist or left-winger of any kind. He's a bigoted nationalist gobshite who would be in the Tory party had he been born by some fluke of circumstance over this side of the water. He just so happens to be born in a country where the dominant nationalism pays lip-service to anti-imperialism but that's it.
LiamO I don't know I assume he's trolling but his poltics are just as shit and reactionary as CR and as a result brings nothing to this place.
Sass is a straightforward useful idiot type of conservative, the type of conservative who dismisses anything outside a narrow status quo as being murderous and totalitarian, without having the intelligence to realise that that the status quo to be maintained rests upon violence and murder and by excluding all extremism is also exhibiting a type of totalitarianism of it's own - which he's perfectly fine with.
Fuck off Phil
It seems everyone's wrong but you eh Delbert?
see post #379
That's the most perfect example of the ad hominem fallacy I've seen in a while, fair play.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ah, but you've always been a left wing apologist...
Can you name one country that has been hard left or hard right that hasn't been a virtual dictatorship? Start by looking at countries with 'Democratic' or 'People's' in their name.
You're confusing rhetoric and labelling for practice. Don't go by names, go by actions.
I know it's NYE, but 4.30pm...?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Dearie fucking me, another one howling at the moon.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As a baying Chihuahua, rather than a wolf, though.
Your attitude to what you call "crime."
Your support of vigilante action against "pimps" and drug dealers.
Your advocacy of police participation in public education.
Your insistence that the murder of Lee Rigby was a simple criminal act like any other and should not be regarded as political or military in nature.
And to be perfectly frank quite large elements of your general attitude and demeanor.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
The emptiest drums make the loudest noise.
I don't hate anyone, I haven't expressed hate for anyone. You're full of it, seems to me.
Sweeping statements of judgement on people, always negative. You're in with the right people
Didn't you go into a Simpsons thread (yes, the cartoon,) and try to start arguments with people because you don't like The Simpsons?
btw you should retract that 'hates Jews' bit.
But you most likely won't, that's the opinion I've formed of you from reading your posts.
The emptiest drums make the loudest noise.
I don't hate anyone, I haven't expressed hate for anyone. You're full of it, seems to me.
Sweeping statements of judgement on people, always negative. You're in with the right people
Didn't you go into a Simpsons thread (yes, the cartoon,) and try to start arguments with people because you don't like The Simpsons?
btw you should retract that 'hates Jews' bit.
But you most likely won't, that's the opinion I've formed of you from reading your posts.
I'm not retracting fuck all you've made your choices you live with 'em. You apologise bag carry and defend this anti-semitism then expect worse.