Andy Coulson, the Met Police and Murdoch

[Fedayn]

Maybe, but dont forget that most of the things they were doing were illegal, in some cases (interfering with murder investigations, corrupting police officers and staff) very illegal. (edit) Having a new law wont be of much use when old ones arent adhered to.

Absolutely, a privacy law will also allow corrupt politicians to use the law to cloak their behaviour. The laws re what the NotW did were simply ignored, what's to say, and where's the evidence, a new, far more dangerous, Privacy Law, would be adhered to?

 

[yardbird]

They're trying to sever the trail to Downing Street now, I think.

Yup.

 

[London_Calling]

Absolutely, a privacy law will also allow corrupt politicians to use the law to cloak their behaviour.

I've never heard any discussion or reference to a proposed privacy law without a public interest exemption?

 

[Pickman's model]

I've never heard any discussion or reference to a proposed privacy law without a public interest exemption?

what about the one being created by stealth here? where that godwin tosser (iirc) could get a super injunction to hide having an affair in which there was a clear public interest

 

[agricola]

Brooks (nee Wade) is gone too, I reckon. Can't see her lasting out tomorrow. They're trying to sever the trail to Downing Street now, I think. The minions have one final use.

I doubt the trail leads to Downing Street, unless it turns out that Cameron was behind some of this. It does however definately head off in the direction of other parts of Fleet Street.

 

[London_Calling]

what about the one being created by stealth here? where that godwin tosser (iirc) could get a super injunction to hide having an affair in which there was a clear public interest

After the enactment of a privacy law there wouldn't be super injunctions - they are the product of a lack of guidance from Parliament in the first place.

 

[Fedayn]

I doubt the trail leads to Downing Street, unless it turns out that Cameron was behind some of this. It does however definately head off in the direction of other parts of Fleet Street.

The trail lezads directly to Cameron, he is dinner pals with these fuckers. Coulson got the job when Cameron knew he was dodgy. He ok'd Murdoch getting the rest of Sky. Try as he might Cameron is intricately connected-usually after the fact- but certainly knowingly aware of where the stench is coming from.....

 

[Fedayn]

After the enactment of a privacy law there wouldn't be super injunctions - they are the product of a lack of guidance from Parliament in the first place.

Unless of course those injunctions were written into the law which is entirely possible if not very likely.

 

[London_Calling]

Well, there has to be a recognition of the European Court's position... but a privacy law makes us more equal before the law - your average punter caught in the tabloid stare wouldn't need £30,000.

 

[agricola]

The trail lezads directly to Cameron, he is dinner pals with these fuckers. Coulson got the job when Cameron knew he was dodgy. He ok'd Murdoch getting the rest of Sky. Try as he might Cameron is intricately connected-usually after the fact- but certainly knowingly aware of where the stench is coming from.....

He is chums with them - but then again so was Blair, and Brown did have a go at being friendly as well. Nor should we forget that this problem of the dark arts is not limited to News International; the stench is coming from all around Fleet Street.

 

[ymu]

I doubt the trail leads to Downing Street, unless it turns out that Cameron was behind some of this. It does however definately head off in the direction of other parts of Fleet Street.

The Met have now started saying that they didn't investigate properly because of orders from Downing Street. That's the Downing Street of five different PMs, BTW.

All we have to do is watch them tear each other apart.

 

[London_Calling]

Who from the Met has said that?

 

[ymu]

Who from the Met has said that?

John Yates, IIRC. Today.

 

[Fedayn]

He is chums with them - but then again so was Blair, and Brown did have a go at being friendly as well. Nor should we forget that this problem of the dark arts is not limited to News International; the stench is coming from all around Fleet Street.

Agreedm they're all in it. Millibands new press man is also ex News International.

 

[yardbird]

I would think that at least two people on urban have been hacked.

 

[London_Calling]

John Yates, IIRC. Today.

If he had, it would be by far the biggest story of the day, week and year.

So a link would be nice - if you can recall?

 

[ymu]

If he had, it would be by far the biggest story of the day, week and year.

So a link would be nice - if you can recall?

It was one of the news programmes on today. Possibly Nick Robinson. I'm sure there will be a written mention shortly. You might even stumble across one yourself, you never know.

 

[London_Calling]

More bullshit.

 

[ymu]

More bullshit.

Very overconfident for someone who doesn't appear to have taken any interest in the news today.

It might be my overactive imagination/compulsive lying/mentalist thing. Or it might be you being a weirdly aggressive little prick.

We'll see, I guess.

 

[London_Calling]

It might be my overactive imagination/compulsive lying/mentalist thing.

It might just be.

 

[Barking_Mad]

 

[claphamboy]

MPs are due to debate the issue for three hours on Wednesday afternoon [today], following prime minister's questions. < BBC

Should be interesting.

 

[claphamboy]

And, now claims they hacked the phones of 7/7 victims' families.

Families of 7/7 bombing victims may have had their phones hacked by the News of the World, it has emerged.

A solicitor representing some of the relatives said one family had been contacted by police and told their phone may have been hacked in 2005.

New allegations have also emerged of payments to the police by the paper.

The tabloid's owners have passed to the police e-mails which appear to show that payments were authorised by the then editor, Andy Coulson.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841

Now, when can we expect Coulson to be arrested?

 

[London_Calling]

As mentioned in the other thread, you have to assume everyone remotely newsworthy since at least 2002 was hacked, literally everyone - pinpointing these people is emotive but that's all.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I don't understand what anyone hoped to gain from hacking the families of the 7/7 victims. What on earth was the purpose?

 

[killer b]

As mentioned in the other thread, you have to assume everyone remotely newsworthy since at least 2002 was hacked, literally everyone - pinpointing these people is emotive but that's all.

yeah, it was clearly just routine. for each story: check your facts, check the cuttings, get glenn to hack their voicemail.

 

[Santino]

I don't understand what anyone hoped to gain from hacking the families of the 7/7 victims. What on earth was the purpose?

Possibly some of them may have enjoyed themselves in some way some time after their loved ones died. That's often considered newsworthy.

 

[marty21]

I doubt the trail leads to Downing Street, unless it turns out that Cameron was behind some of this. It does however definately head off in the direction of other parts of Fleet Street.

It brings into question Cameron's judgement - surely he must have known something.

 

[stethoscope]

I don't understand what anyone hoped to gain from hacking the families of the 7/7 victims. What on earth was the purpose?

Because they're always quite happy to start digging for absolutely any gossip/dirt they can find about someone, whether or not they are a victim, or the family of one.

 

[Teaboy]

He is chums with them - but then again so was Blair, and Brown did have a go at being friendly as well. Nor should we forget that this problem of the dark arts is not limited to News International; the stench is coming from all around Fleet Street.

They're all in it up to the eyeballs, the press, politicians and Police. Its no wonder the first enquirey was cut short as it was in everyones interest for that to happen.

The silience from so many papers this morning is deafening. What's the Express leading on? Salt and health nazis. Nice one.