American anarchists meaninglessly devour themselves at Portland Conference
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
not at all, I'm despite my v.spiffy written register pretty much a lumpen prole and these people arguing the toss over absolute bollocks leaves me cold
FridgeMagnet
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I'm really not sure of the point of this thread at all.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Probably best if you just didn't post on it, then.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
A warning against the potentially corrosive effect of certain types of activism?
FridgeMagnet
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Its so we can shake our wise, white dreaded heads at the antics of the american anarchist left.
Because nothing that defies parody EVER happens at the anarchist bookfair.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Just the videoed incident, or are you talking more about things closer to home than that...?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I noticed the prominence of British twitter/tumblr intersectionalists describing themselves as anarchists, and have defended that observation when challenged on it (by you) when it has come up a few times. I've also noted Ireland's main anarchist group embracing it and was quite surprised when the AF women's caucus issued an internal document advocating it (although it should be said that the AF doesn't seem to have followed that up).
I have explicitly and repeatedly said that I don't think that any of this, nor the much much wider embrace of this stuff by US anarchists is due to a propensity to it inherent in anarchist ideas. And I certainly haven't argued that Trotskyists are immune to it! Quite the opposite - for instance if the IMG were still around, they'd love it. And everyone - everyone - capable of recruiting is going to recruit people influenced by these ideas. I think it's chiefly a demographic thing about "scenes", small ephemeral groups and individuals being more readily influenced by wider activist fashions than groups with a certain critical mass and/or long term stability. I'd hazard a guess that groups in some kind of crisis are the exception to that. I certainly don't expect say the SAC or CNT to be any more gung-ho about it, as I would if I was under the impression that some original sin in anarchism led to these ideas.
As for who, where, just how many names do you want? We could start at the top with Z. Stavri and S. Ambreen, arguably the two most prominent British intersectionalists on twitter, and both self-described anarchists. Or I can just start churning out twitter handles endlessly?
FridgeMagnet
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tbh I do recognise the point of this thread and it is a miserable one that reflects badly on almost everyone who has posted on it.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Are you planning to explain what you are moaning about? Or are you just planning to keep making vague noises of disapproval?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The AF document is a discussion piece not a policy document ffs. How many times does this have to be stated
I know. And as I'm not claiming that the AF have adopted intersectionalism, it's not relevant to my argument.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Not hugely opaque tbh.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Call me out.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Why?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Aye. On their youtube blurb it says something along the lines of "exposing the loony left" or similar.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it's a million miles from home, thats the point of me saying it leaves me cold. Totally not my world.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I'm not joking, it's really pretty embarrassing.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Are you trying to bore people off the thread?
rekil
to menny cranks
Somebody with a YT channel full of videos of lefty demos, gun stuff and assorted right wing fruitloopery is sitting there filming them. It doesn't look like a 'safe space' does it.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Also ironic given the subject matter of the panellists. Maybe that's why the filmers (edit, filmers not filters
) were there in the first place.There was trouble last year too, with Deep Green Resistance.
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Corax
Luke 5:16
Oh fuck, I didn't mean 'closer to home' quite that literally Dotty!
Urban, on occasions.
*spits out toenails*
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Really not getting that. Usual mini spats and flourishes of arsery, but the vast majority of the thread looks like a united rejection of the brand of ultra-rad-liberalism seen in the video in the OP. For urban that's highly positive and constructive. 
But fuck, that video is depressing - and, more importantly, does a massive disservice to the issues the chanters are nominally attached to.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
The video is pretty miserable and demoralising viewing. Even with the context provided, it still doesn't exactly redeem itself. Not sure why fridgey is stating this thread is embarrassing. The american-bashing near the start is pretty off but, that aside, the thread seems to be a fairly wide-ranging rejection of the more poisonous elements of intersectionalism and privilege theory. What's wrong with that?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
what's miserable is being a part of a political environment dominated by this politics, which i have been on numerous occasions. and, worryingly, the number of spaces which are subject to it is increasing. what happens periodically in the States is good to observe, to ward it off from here before the rot sets too deep.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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