Casually Red
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There she goes . Picking on me again .
Allegations of widespread sexual exploitation of Calais migrants by British volunteers
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Well I am glad we are focusing on the important issues here.
Your hurt feelings after being handed your own sanctimonious arse back to you.
There was I, and others thinking this thread was actually about vulnerable people... But no...about you, as always.
Dear people if this is true I won't be visiting the UK anymore. Because you are mean against Polish people saw it in the papers, ( I'm Dutch btw) but help those migrants in Calais and even when I think you guys have sex with them too is just not done. They must destroy the camp and send them back home, I see a image that would happen if they do come in the UK all happy but will be unhappy and more rapes will occure and more Islam will be spread. No it's good they are in France right now and they most go back, less refugees in Europe please.
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Btw, in Holland I heard refugees saying we are having it bad and it's boring. Not happy to have a bed, food and more.. So dear people from Great-Britian, stop helping them is for the best, live is not easy for us too, but too give them it all is unfair too, like a house, job, food and a women makes me just mad
. That's supposed to be secret.DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Are we still calling it Great Britain? even scotland wants shot of it all now. In any case Daniel can strap on his clogs and clop on
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Germans call it Gross Britain
Daniel11 , we feel a bit responsible for some of the refugees since it was our government that helped cause so many of them to be refugees.
Have a think about how it would be if things were reversed and you'd been bombed out of your home and forced away from your country. They need all the help they can get.
Daniel11 , we feel a bit responsible for some of the refugees since it was our government that helped cause so many of them to be refugees.
Have a think about how it would be if things were reversed and you'd been bombed out of your home and forced away from your country. They need all the help they can get.
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Plastic Paddy
I thought Pim Fortuyn was dead.
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Really? You feel responsible for the actions of the government? I fucking don't.Germans call it Gross Britain
Daniel11 , we feel a bit responsible for some of the refugees since it was our government that helped cause so many of them to be refugees.
I'd hope that anyone helping refugees is doing it because it's the decent thing to do. Not through some misplaced sense of guilt.
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I'm not sure I'd equate responsibility with guilt myself. And not either or: both and.
That's only true for the legal immigration, not refugees and illegals
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It was "just theft", same as any colonisation. And the Dutch (see also Brits) haven't developed immigrant communities out of a sense of responsibility, they've done it because it enriched them too.
Do you think today's Americans should apologise for slavery, Japanese for WW2, and Germans for Nazism?
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Do you think today's Americans should apologise for slavery, Japanese for WW2, and Germans for Nazism?
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Dutch and British governments do both have special arrangements with their former colonies as a sort of reparation, Indonesians get the same rights as Dutch for studying in Holland and it's easier for them to immigrate, same with Commonwealth countries
Legal immigration though, not refugees and illegals
Japanese gave a lot of reparations to Asian countries that they occupied and pretty much every leader does issue some sort of apology even though they are never sincere
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I think an apology is important because it's the first step to changing behaviour. The Germans have been apologizing for Nazism since WWII, similar with Japan for what they did in the FE during the war, and both countries have changed.
I don't think it would hurt for white Americans to apologize for slavery and also nicking the country from the American Indians. Again, if you've apologized it's a recognition that you have a responsibility for effects that are with us now, and also that you shouldn't really continue to do it.
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We have a wider responsibility as Europeans, since we largely built our wealth on plundering the rest of the world.
As I understand it, a lot of "illegals" have been persecuted out of their own country and funnily enough aren't given loads of official documents to take with them.
Or we could give all the money back with a couple of hundred years' interest
that would make it fair too.A few American presidents have apologised to the Indians and a lot of them have special rights in their 'ancestral homelands'
Some of the European countries have apologised as well, which is incredibly relevant to scumbags abusing vulnerable people in Calais
Some of the European countries have apologised as well, which is incredibly relevant to scumbags abusing vulnerable people in Calais
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Can you outline some of these "special arrangements", particularly in the case of former British colonies?
We have a wider responsibility as Europeans, since we largely built our wealth on plundering the rest of the world.
As I understand it, a lot of "illegals" have been persecuted out of their own country and funnily enough aren't given loads of official documents to take with them.
Or we could give all the money back with a couple of hundred years' interest
The problem with that argument is that it sounds nice, but if there were no controls on immigration it would just create more situations like Calais, the actual reality of it, just letting anyone with a boat just roll up anywhere they want?
Even if you do think that you have a way to make that situation doable, there is absolutely no way that you could force it on the local population without some serious repression
Google it, I'm not your PA
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Well I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I was just giving you the opportunity to correct yourself.
The U.K. has some reciprocal terms with Australia, iirc, but that's about it.
Or don't Google it, no difference to me
Great stuff
Anyway who gives a fuck, what is more important is that you do need to control immigration or you end up with places like Calais and that is true whatever your opinion on whether America has apologised enough to the Cherokee etc etc
It's such a boring argument and it has nothing to do with the awfulness that all of those people winding up in Calais trying to sneak on boats is causing, I mean indirectly it has, but you know, when it really comes down to it, none of us deserve anything and just being alive is a massive privilege etc etc. If you think those refugees have it bad, you should look at little Nicole, Nicole was born with a rare disease and has barely any motor functions, she will only live until she's 15, but she always has a smile for everybody
It's such a boring argument and it has nothing to do with the awfulness that all of those people winding up in Calais trying to sneak on boats is causing, I mean indirectly it has, but you know, when it really comes down to it, none of us deserve anything and just being alive is a massive privilege etc etc. If you think those refugees have it bad, you should look at little Nicole, Nicole was born with a rare disease and has barely any motor functions, she will only live until she's 15, but she always has a smile for everybody
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What's your plan terry? What do you suggest?
I think they should be arrested and thrown out if they don't have documents. They aren't claiming asylum they are just trashing the place, I don't see why the people in Calais should have to put up with them
If people want them to have good situations in Europe then it's up to them to come up with a plan that involves them ending up in good situations, that camp is an absolute disgrace, all kinds of dodginess happens to people who wind up there, they'd probably be better off in a jail.
Just keeping it going and trying to make that place livable seems like a terrible idea to me, it's not going to happen. It probably wouldn't be that expensive to build a lovely farm for them all to work on and live nicely away from the ferry port so they can have the nice lives they deserve because of 18th century colonialism
I do admit, presenting eurovision for 40 years and dying earlier this year has made me quite jaded
Maybe it's sound little bit a hard but I'm scared that if you help them enough you will get a Germany effect in England, in Germany things are getting really unstable. After receiving so many Arab-refugees who don't speak German at al. I love Engeland, went too London and Manchester! It's okay too help them but please don't adopt them, that is it. Yes! we have people from Suriname, Indonesia and some of South Africa but they can speak Dutch and we learn how too deal with that. With people from Eritrea, Sudan, Afghanistan and Syria, Iran we don't.
They see Engeland as a rich price, an when they ( 10.000 of them) are there, you can will suspect more
They see Engeland as a rich price, an when they ( 10.000 of them) are there, you can will suspect more
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