Allegations of widespread sexual exploitation of Calais migrants by British volunteers

[TerryWogan]

If you make a claim, you velvet-voiced son of the bogs, it's incumbent on you to substantiate it, or else forever be mocked, you nylon-haired reprobate.

"Special arrangements" is rather overstating the case, as in both polities those arrangements have been cheese-pared away to almost nothing over the last 40 years.

The governments aren't "in denial". They have what are - for them - sound political reasons for not acknowledging the crimes of their forbears.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Two new posters today who are only interested in this thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

Two new posters today who are only interested in this thread.

Yeh but apparently loitering with intent

 

[Athos]

So who else is imposing austerity on the UK? Who else can make the massive investments needed to improve conditions for the working class?

Austerity is a product of capitalism.

Who says that's what's needed to include conditions for the working class is "investment"?

 

[two sheds]

Governments show precious little inclination to make massive investments to improve conditions for the working class

Indeed. I mentioned the working class specifically because Athos did. He came in implying that I was after the working class blaming themselves for immigration and poverty.

But it looks like he's changed tack and - rather than this and previous governments being responsible - it's the working class themselves who should be pulling their socks up to cure themselves despite being continually robbed.

 

[two sheds]

Austerity is a product of capitalism.

and who's imposing austerity on us at the moment?

Who says that's what's needed to include conditions for the working class is "investment"?

ok rehouse and integrate thousands of people with no extra "investment", tell me how?

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed. I mentioned the working class specifically because Athos did. He came in implying that I was after the working class blaming themselves for immigration and poverty.

But it looks like he's changed tack and - rather than this and previous governments being responsible - it's the working class themselves who should be pulling their socks up to cure themselves despite being continually robbed.

Pls don't mix your metaphors with such abandon

 

[ViolentPanda]

With reference to "special arrangements", I note that you've handily elided the post where I specifically mention the 1973 Immigration Act. A cynic might conclude that you're either disingenuous as fuck, or a bit stupid.

As for the political reasons, they're obvious, and are the same reasons as behind those of any state not giving a full and fulsome apology for colonial misdeeds: An admission of guilt can be taken as an admission of liability.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Two new posters today who are only interested in this thread.

Now now, I hope you're not suggesting that Casually Red or his mate Liam are creating ringers. Neither of them have form for tha...........oh.

 

[two sheds]

Pls don't mix your metaphors with such abandon

Sailors wear socks too

 

[Pickman's model]

Sailors wear socks too

Who pulls up socks to cure themselves from being robbed?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Austerity is a product of capitalism.

Who says that's what's needed to include conditions for the working class is "investment"?

If you accept capitalism, and by default neoliberal capitalism, as the natural economic condition, then "investment" is the only device that occurs to such people. We have three and a half decades of "investment" - or lack of it - in training/education, employment, housing and health to show us that the rationale doesn't work, and that issues need to be addressed as matters of social and economic justice.

 

[two sheds]

Who pulls up socks to cure themselves from being robbed?

Sailors with incredibly floppy socks.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Indeed. I mentioned the working class specifically because Athos did. He came in implying that I was after the working class blaming themselves for immigration and poverty.

But it looks like he's changed tack and - rather than this and previous governments being responsible - it's the working class themselves who should be pulling their socks up to cure themselves despite being continually robbed.

He's not talking about people pulling their socks up, he's talking about them exercising political agency and taking the power back from people who only pretend to represent our interests.

 

[halfship]

Now now, I hope you're not suggesting that Casually Red or his mate Liam are creating ringers. Neither of them have form for tha...........oh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sailors with incredibly floppy socks.

A rather flaccid response

 

[two sheds]

He's not talking about people pulling their socks up, he's talking about them exercising political agency and taking the power back from people who only pretend to represent our interests.

Yes fair play I obviously agree with that too.

You can't do much without resources though.

 

[Athos]

and who's imposing austerity on us at the moment?



ok rehouse and integrate thousands of people with no extra "investment", tell me how?

Do you even understand what you're saying? What investment is?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Now now, I hope you're not suggesting that Casually Red or his mate Liam are creating ringers. Neither of them have form for tha...........oh.

There is at least more incoming, a random like tells me that. I have no clue who they are but if I were a mod I would be tempted to do a little IP address search.

 

[two sheds]

If you accept capitalism, and by default neoliberal capitalism, as the natural economic condition, then "investment" is the only device that occurs to such people. We have three and a half decades of "investment" - or lack of it - in training/education, employment, housing and health to show us that the rationale doesn't work, and that issues need to be addressed as matters of social and economic justice.

Yes exactly, lack of it.

 

[trashpony]

I expressed no opinions whatsoever

Bullshit. Your OP read:

Pretty depressing reading this . According to the Independent some British volunteers have been using the opportunity afforded by the distress of Calais migrants to exploit them sexually . Some women volunteers in particular have also been allegedly targeting under age boys for exploitation.
Independent have lifted it originally from an online discussion on the Calais People To People Solidarity Facebook page . Unsurprisingly the whistleblower ...a male volunteer..was subjected to a tirade of abuse alleging sexism, racism etc for even raising the subject ? As usual anger by some and a desire to sweep abuse under the carpet .. A commentator has described some of what's gone on as sex tourism, pretty much .pretty despicable behaviour from some given the inequality involved as regards power relationships . But doesn't appear there's a great deal anyone can do about it . The allegations of exploitation also appear to be confirmed by other aid groups

Volunteers in Calais Jungle accused of 'sexually exploiting' refugees

Seems for some of a predatory nature every cloud has a silver lining .

As Rutita1 said in post #4

Which part of this post is you quoting the article ?

Answer: None of it. It's all your opinion.

 

[two sheds]

Do you even understand what you're saying? What investment is?

Something like what Corbyn is suggesting:

Employ people with good pay and conditions to improve the infrastructure: renationalize the NHS and improve staffing levels, build homes, accelerate renewables, nationalize energy and rail companies. That sort of thing. I don't understand the problem with this. Of course people have to do as much as they can themselves but the problems are structural. That's where they need to be solved.

 

[two sheds]

such people

sorry VP?

 

[ViolentPanda]

sorry VP?

People who believe that neoliberal capitalism is the natural economic condition, or "fuckwits", as I like to call them.

 

[TerryWogan]

If you make a claim it's incumbent on you to substantiate it, or else forever be mocked,

Now now, I hope you're not suggesting that Casually Red or his mate Liam are creating ringers. Neither of them have form for tha...........oh.

 

[two sheds]

People who believe that neoliberal capitalism is the natural economic condition, or "fuckwits", as I like to call them.

ok i'd agree with that, it's the one we've got though

 

[Treacle Toes]

So now... 2 of the newbies are doing the same quoting and no comment thing?

 

[Pickman's model]

So now... 2 of the newbies are doing the same quoting and no comment thing?

Not for long I suspect

 

[TerryWogan]

Just quoting this clown saying that you have to substantiate your claim and then making a bunch of unsubstantiated claims

 

[TerryWogan]

Not for long I suspect

iirc