Allegations of widespread sexual exploitation of Calais migrants by British volunteers

[Daniel11]

Germans call it Gross Britain

Daniel11 , we feel a bit responsible for some of the refugees since it was our government that helped cause so many of them to be refugees.

Have a think about how it would be if things were reversed and you'd been bombed out of your home and forced away from your country. They need all the help they can get.

How did they do that, can you tell me that? Because from what I know, England never was in Afghanistan, Eritrea, Iran, Sudan or in freaking Syria.
Maybe it's sound little bit a hard but I'm scared that if you help them enough you will get a Germany effect in England, in Germany things are getting really unstable. After receiving so many Arab-refugees who don't speak German at al. I love Engeland, went too London and Manchester! It's okay too help them but please don't adopt them, that is it. Yes! we have people from Suriname, Indonesia and some of South Africa but they can speak Dutch and we learn how too deal with that. With people from Eritrea, Sudan, Afghanistan and Syria, Iran we don't.
They see England as a rich price, an when they ( 10.000 of them) are there, you will suspect and get suspect more. Look At Germany 1.5 million people and the Germans are chancing their motivation about the refugees.

 

[Athos]

Dear people if this is true I won't be visiting the UK anymore. Because you are mean against Polish people saw it in the papers, ( I'm Dutch btw) but help those migrants in Calais and even when I think you guys have sex with them too is just not done. They must destroy the camp and send them back home, I see a image that would happen if they do come in the UK all happy but will be unhappy and more rapes will occure and more Islam will be spread. No it's good they are in France right now and they most go back, less refugees in Europe please.

'Fewer'!

 

[Daniel11]

'Fewer'!

Yes, mister Greek I can use that too in mine sentences. Thank you.

 

[andysays]

'Fewer'!

Bloody non-English speakers coming over here and getting our linguistic rules wrong.

Let a few in and before you know it there'll be 1000's of them, contaminating our once-pure forum. Erect controls on the borders and send them all home, I say...

 

[J Ed]

The idea that immigration is a punishment for the West's colonial crimes that enriched a minority of the population of Western countries never seemed to me like a good way to sell immigration to your average person. Or a very nice way of viewing the world either tbh.

 

[two sheds]

Not punishment, consequence. We need to know the causes of problems before we can start to address them. The government is in denial which is why they're ignoring the problem, and leaving it to the (amazing) people who have taken it on themselves to set up all the aid lines.

How *would* you sell immigration to your average person?

Daniel11 Yes I'd like as many people to return to their cities of origin, too. I think a lot would would like to go home, too, rather than ending up refugees at the start of a British winter. Problem is that a lot would be killed if they went back, and a lot of buildings in their cities have been destroyed in the fighting.

 

[free spirit]

How many people do you think would come via that route if the UK offered it? Or doesn't it matter how many come? It's just a case of Wir schaffen das.

maybe something a bit more like our fair share?

We've taken in barely any refugees from the biggest refugee crisis to affect Europe since WW2, does that seem right to you?

 

[free spirit]

Nope . The storys in the MSM, it's not your personal property. Mere mortals are reading and talking about it as well . I'll comment on it if I feel like it , just like anybody else.

well quit complaining when people rip your ignorant bollocks to shreds then eh. oh why is everyone picking on me it's so unfair everyone's ganging up on me, all I did was repeatedly post my complete ignorant bullshit opinions about a subject I know fuck all about on a site filled with people who're personally involved at various levels... it's so unfair etc etc. why not just do one instead?

 

[Athos]

Not punishment, consequence. We need to know the causes of problems before we can start to address them. The government is in denial which is why they're ignoring the problem, and leaving it to the (amazing) people who have taken it on themselves to set up all the aid lines.

How *would* you sell immigration to your average person?

Maybe if we lived in a society where the creation of the conditions that led to refugees and the benefits of immigration (e.g. cheap labour and rising land values) sat with one class, whereas the disbenefits (e.g. pressure on local services) sat with another, the benefits of immigration would be easier to sell to the average person. The idea that working class people should feel a sense of moral obligation based on the crimes of empire is a dead end.

 

[free spirit]

I think they should be arrested and thrown out if they don't have documents.

let's be clear on this, where would you throw them out to?

Back to where they came from?

Or are you one of the idiots who thinks they should stay in the first country they get to, meaning that Turkey, Greece, Lebanon etc are left to cope with several million refugees by themselves while we do nothing to help other than sending back any refugees who make it as far as Calais / the UK?

Please explain your glib statement in a little more detail so we can see which variety of heartless prick you are.

 

[likesfish]

Its a shitty arguement and expects the people who got fuck all from empire and benefit little from immigration to pay the price and suffer all the problems.

We could house everyone and a million odd refugees and build a million strong milita to deter russia or the french from invading and still save money on trident.

 

[two sheds]

Yes I agree with all that. I'm not saying people should feel guilty - it's down to government to make the changes. They're the ones who make the decisions.

Resettling refugees costs money, and to avoid causing resentment we need to improve conditions for everyone else, too (which we should of course be doing anyway). It's austerity that's causing the ill-will.

 

[free spirit]

Its a shitty arguement and expects the people who got fuck all from empire and benefit little from immigration to pay the price and suffer all the problems.

We could house everyone and a million odd refugees and build a million strong milita to deter russia or the french from invading and still save money on trident.

thing is, if we had a proper coherent asylum and immigration policy then it really shouldn't need to negatively impact on certain communities. Dispersing even half a million refugees amongst a population of 65 million or so should be possible to do without causing serious problems, never mind a few thousand as at present.

It's the lack of a coherent plan that's causing problems not the actual numbers of refugees.

There are only 10k in calais in total, ffs they could all come and live here in Leeds and the city would hardly be swamped.

There's loads of research that shows how beneficial refugees can actually be to their host countries if they're allowed to integrate properly, work without restrictions and bring the courage and resourcefulness that's helped them to survive and escape from war and travel across continents to bear on the task of creating a better life for themselves here. The problems are caused by our system not the refugees IMO (which I think was probably what Corbyn was attempting to say the other day).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dear people if this is true I won't be visiting the UK anymore. Because you are mean against Polish people saw it in the papers, ( I'm Dutch btw) but help those migrants in Calais and even when I think you guys have sex with them too is just not done. They must destroy the camp and send them back home, I see a image that would happen if they do come in the UK all happy but will be unhappy and more rapes will occure and more Islam will be spread. No it's good they are in France right now and they most go back, less refugees in Europe please.

Go suck Geert Wilders' cock.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dutch and British governments do both have special arrangements with their former colonies as a sort of reparation, Indonesians get the same rights as Dutch for studying in Holland and it's easier for them to immigrate, same with Commonwealth countries

Legal immigration though, not refugees and illegals

Japanese gave a lot of reparations to Asian countries that they occupied and pretty much every leader does issue some sort of apology even though they are never sincere

"Special arrangements" is rather overstating the case, as in both polities those arrangements have been cheese-pared away to almost nothing over the last 40 years.

 

[likesfish]

Exactly we did it after WW2.
But a ridiculous shitty system that can't tell if someobdy is a refugee or not and cant or wont make people leave if they are not or give them permission to stay in any sort of reasonble timeframe .
A crap housing "Market"
Pressure on everything
Media pushing immigrants are the problem not helped by goverment inviting poland to move in and make no obvious provision for a massive wave of immigration even when it became obvious their were issues .

Immigration isn't a problem deciding loads of extra people can come and live here but making no provision at all is

 

[ViolentPanda]

Can you outline some of these "special arrangements", particularly in the case of former British colonies?

They don't really exist as "arrangements" anymore. Haven't really done since (IIRC) the Immigration Act 1973, when Commonwealth citizens lost even the vestige of an automatic right to British citizenship.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Google it, I'm not your PA

If you make a claim, you velvet-voiced son of the bogs, it's incumbent on you to substantiate it, or else forever be mocked, you nylon-haired reprobate.

 

[Athos]

... it's down to government to make the changes. They're the ones who make the decisions.

Seriously?!

 

[two sheds]

Seriously?!

Well in response to:

The idea that working class people should feel a sense of moral obligation based on the crimes of empire is a dead end.

Yes Seriously!!

 

[Athos]

Christ.

 

[ViolentPanda]

How did they do that, can you tell me that? Because from what I know, England never was in Afghanistan, Eritrea, Iran, Sudan or in freaking Syria.
Maybe it's sound little bit a hard but I'm scared that if you help them enough you will get a Germany effect in England, in Germany things are getting really unstable. After receiving so many Arab-refugees who don't speak German at al. I love Engeland, went too London and Manchester! It's okay too help them but please don't adopt them, that is it. Yes! we have people from Suriname, Indonesia and some of South Africa but they can speak Dutch and we learn how too deal with that. With people from Eritrea, Sudan, Afghanistan and Syria, Iran we don't.
They see England as a rich price, an when they ( 10.000 of them) are there, you will suspect and get suspect more. Look At Germany 1.5 million people and the Germans are chancing their motivation about the refugees.

Read some 19th century British history. UK was first in Afghanistan in 1830s. Our first war there was in 1839. We have similar histories in Iran and Sudan (siege of Khartoum, anyone?), Eritrea is Anglophone, and Syria - there's been Syrian communities in London and Cardiff for over 100 years.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bloody non-English speakers coming over here and getting our linguistic rules wrong.

Let a few in and before you know it there'll be 1000's of them, contaminating our once-pure forum. Erect controls on the borders and send them all home, I say...

Keep the schmucks ou....Doh!!!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not punishment, consequence. We need to know the causes of problems before we can start to address them. The government is in denial which is why they're ignoring the problem, and leaving it to the (amazing) people who have taken it on themselves to set up all the aid lines.

How *would* you sell immigration to your average person?

Daniel11 Yes I'd like as many people to return to their cities of origin, too. I think a lot would would like to go home, too, rather than ending up refugees at the start of a British winter. Problem is that a lot would be killed if they went back, and a lot of buildings in their cities have been destroyed in the fighting.

The governments aren't "in denial". They have what are - for them - sound political reasons for not acknowledging the crimes of their forbears.

 

[Casually Red]

well quit complaining when people rip your ignorant bollocks to shreds then eh. oh why is everyone picking on me it's so unfair everyone's ganging up on me, all I did was repeatedly post my complete ignorant bullshit opinions about a subject I know fuck all about on a site filled with people who're personally involved at various levels... it's so unfair etc etc. why not just do one instead?

Youre talking shite .I posted a link to an MSM newspaper article quoting a Calais volunteer who you apparently know and a Calais charity boss . The article carried their opinions . I expressed no opinions whatsoever , slagged nobody off . It's in your fucking head . utter bollocks .

I've repeatedly asked those slagging me off for posting the article to simply quote we're I've slagged people off. They haven't done so because I haven't done it . It's bollocks .

And again it's not your thread, your forum or a subject that's your private property. It's in the public domain and anyone who wants t o comment on it is free to do so .

 

[two sheds]

Christ.

You don't feel that governments are responsible for the problems, rather than working class people?

Are we talking at cross-purposes here?

 

[Athos]

You don't feel that governments are responsible for the problems, rather than working class people?

Are we talking at cross-purposes here?

I don't think the solution is that it's "down to governments to make changes." Nor do I accept that "they're the ones who make the decisions."

 

[Wilf]

This is utter bollocks . I've barely mentioned the gender of the abusers . Utter bollocks .

Apart from your OP, where you emphasised the gender of the (alleged) abusers - and also the gender of the bloke who raised the issue:

Some women volunteers in particular have also been allegedly targeting under age boys for exploitation.
Independent have lifted it originally from an online discussion on the Calais People To People Solidarity Facebook page . Unsurprisingly the whistleblower ...a male volunteer..was subjected to a tirade of abuse alleging sexism, racism etc for even raising the subject ?

 

[two sheds]

I don't think the solution is that it's "down to governments to make changes." Nor do I accept that "they're the ones who make the decisions."

So who else is imposing austerity on the UK? Who else can make the massive investments needed to improve conditions for the working class?

 

[Pickman's model]

So who else is imposing austerity on the UK? Who else can make the massive investments needed to improve conditions for the working class?

Governments show precious little inclination to make massive investments to improve conditions for the working class