Allegations of widespread sexual exploitation of Calais migrants by British volunteers

[Casually Red]

Really? this is where you want to focus your rage & bile? You're being a dick for the sake of it and you know it.

Rage and bile ?

How the fuck is me pointing out I can't cross over to another continent qualify as rage and bile ? I'm not even remotely raging .

 

[Casually Red]

Yes you did.

Oh no I didnt

 

[andysays]

Well done Sherlock .

Like who gives a shit about a few migrants being sexually exploited

" ah ha !!" he says

Not you, you transparent cunt, you don't really have a genuine concern for the welfare of refugees, you're much more interested in attacking what you see as lefty do-gooders, and if many of them happen to be women, so much the better as far as you're concerned.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's a great idea for volunteers in this situation to be having sex with refugees in the Calais camp, and I would hope that organisations and responsible individuals involved in aid work would be doing what they can to discourage it.

From what I've read, however, I don't think what's happening amounts to "widespread abuse" and for you to get all hysterical and act concerned is just another indication of your tendency to use any issue to jump on your usual leftie-bashing bandwagon.

It doesn't take Sherlock or even Watson to see what you're up to...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Oh no I didnt

What a fucking prick you are. Seriously. You should be embarrassed but you won't be because trolling clearly turns you on.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Probably around the same level as yourself or anyone else who never mentioned it either. Why didn't you bring it up ?

I did mention it. You quoted me mentioning it

I'm aware of a number of people who were raped there . If I brought that up though I'd be accused by all and sundry of racism and well you know it. (Snip)

It's not racist to mention the rapes. Why would it be?? If we are talking about abuse in the jungle not mentioning rapes would be fucking weird.

 

[Casually Red]

Not you, you transparent cunt, you don't really have a genuine concern for the welfare of refugees, you're much more interested in attacking what you see as lefty do-gooders, and if many of them happen to be women, so much the better as far as you're concerned.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's a great idea for volunteers in this situation to be having sex with refugees in the Calais camp, and I would hope that organisations and responsible individuals involved in aid work would be doing what they can to discourage it.

From what I've read, however, I don't think what's happening amounts to "widespread abuse" and for you to get all hysterical and act concerned is just another indication of your tendency to use any issue to jump on your usual leftie-bashing bandwagon.

It doesn't take Sherlock or even Watson to see what you're up to...

Go through each and every one of my posts on this thread .Find one instance of lefty bashing and quote it . Just fucking do it . I brought this issue up because not only was it topical , with loads of stuff on this forum about the Calais issue, i thought it was utterly hypocritical it wasn't being mentioned Here while it was all over the MSM. The ONLY points I made were that there's a recognised problem that needs addressed and that there were a few bad apples that need sorting . Absolutely nowhere in my posts is anyone being bashed. If you've evidence to the contrary then feel free to post it .

This morning I reacted to being told I was worthless, a number of times, because I wasn't running about in Calais . And a string of the usual grudge bearing suspects have seized on that . Leapt on it.

As in " aha !!" .

Just deflecting and obscuring from the issue. Turning it into another one entirely As is to be expected .

And which I did expect from the outset. And it didn't take a Sherlock to guess that either .

 

[Casually Red]

I did mention it. You quoted me mentioning it



It's not racist to mention the rapes. Why would it be?? If we are talking about abuse in the jungle not mentioning rapes would be fucking weird.

You don't seem to get the difference between being racist and being accused of being racist because you bring up an instance of rapes committed by migrants . That's why I'm never...ever..going to mention rapes in the jungle . Sticking up for a wrongly accused bus driver gets you slaughtered on here.

Try mentioning the Cologne and Hamburg rape sprees and see what happens .

The issue on this thread isn't migrant rapes . It's from another angle completely .

 

[Thimble Queen]

You don't seem to get the difference between being racist and being accused of being racist because you bring up an instance of rapes committed by migrants . That's why I'm never...ever..going to mention rapes in the jungle . Sticking up for a wrongly accused bus driver gets you slaughtered on here.

Try mentioning the Cologne and Hamburg rape sprees and see what happens .

The issue on this thread isn't migrant rapes . It's from another angle completely .

No. It's part of the wider picture of the abuse that is happening if the camp. If you are genuinely concerned about sexual exploitation in the camp in Calais then surely you would be concerned about female residents and children being raped and abused not just what is being sensationalised by the press (white women volunteers and black and brown resident men). If you aren't bringing up what's happening to the resident women and children out of a fear of being accused then you are 1) a coward 2) showing your lack of genuine concern for the residents 3) failing people who are being abused by keeping silent.

None of what you are saying adds up.

 

[Casually Red]

No. It's part of the wider picture of the abuse that is happening if the camp. If you are genuinely concerned about sexual exploitation in the camp in Calais then surely you would be concerned about female residents and children being raped and abused not just what is being sensationalised by the press (white women volunteers and black and brown resident men). If you aren't bringing up what's happening to the resident women and children out of a fear of being accused then you are 1) a coward 2) showing your lack of genuine concern for the residents 3) failing people who are being abused by keeping silent.

None of what you are saying adds up.

You forgot option 4

Bringing it up because it was on the news but not on here

Option 5

Accumulating a horde of grudge bearing wankers on a forum who'll deliberately misrepresent each and every last word I say as part of their own grudge bearing agenda . Very predictably ,so much much wiser not to go down that route .

It's interesting to note though that despite all the people on this forum who are involved in the migrant issue at Calais I haven't seen a single thread addressing the sex attacks in the jungle . As you aren't having a go at them over it I'll safely assume you're just scraping the barrel to have a go at me for bringing this issue up. An issue it's obvious nobody wanted mentioned , because nobody did and the reaction was hostility the moment it was .

If you've a reasonable opinion why a story that's in the news shouldn't be discussed here then I'm happy to hear it . otherwise ..I dunno.. Have a go at somebody else over something else .

 

[Treacle Toes]

Accumulating a horde of grudge bearing wankers on a forum who'll deliberately misrepresent each and every last word I say as part of their own grudge bearing agenda.

You poor thing. You are simply misunderstood and being picked on.

 

[Casually Red]

Well youre always picking on me . And well you know it . As does everybody else .

 

[Thimble Queen]

You forgot option 4

Bringing it up because it was on the news but not on here

Option 5

Accumulating a horde of grudge bearing wankers on a forum who'll deliberately misrepresent each and every last word I say as part of their own grudge bearing agenda . Very predictably ,so much much wiser not to go down that route .

It's interesting to note though that despite all the people on this forum who are involved in the migrant issue at Calais I haven't seen a single thread addressing the sex attacks in the jungle . As you aren't having a go at them over it I'll safely assume you're just scraping the barrel to have a go at me for bringing this issue up. An issue it's obvious nobody wanted mentioned , because nobody did and the reaction was hostility the moment it was .

If you've a reasonable opinion why a story that's in the news shouldn't be discussed here then I'm happy to hear it . otherwise ..I dunno.. Have a go at somebody else over something else .

Where exactly did I say it shouldn't be discussed! You're the one saying you don't want to talk about aspects of the abuse.

No one here is picking on you. I never realised you were such a delicate fucking flower. Its really not apparent by the way you talk to people.

 

[Casually Red]

Where exactly did I say it shouldn't be discussed! You're the one saying you don't want to talk about aspects of the abuse.

No one here is picking on you. I never realised you were such a delicate fucking flower. Its really not apparent by the way you talk to people.

Again, you don't seem to be able to differentiate between not wanting to and not being able to discuss something . If your blind to that I can only assume its wilful. And if I'm a delicate flower so be it . There's no compulsion on me to live up to your narrow gender stereotyping .

 

[two sheds]

Well youre always picking on me .

and you keep having a go at krtek

 

[DotCommunist]

3.5 on the CR meltdown scale. Keep poking him and it might get up to a four.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well youre always picking on me . And well you know it . As does everybody else .

schoolboy error. everyone else apart from you and krtek a houby knows better than to confess to feeling picked on. it doesn't matter if you are or aren't being picked on, the simple fact you feel picked on marks you out as a target.

 

[Wilf]

3.5 on the CR meltdown scale. Keep poking him and it might get up to a four.

A reminder of his own comments on the John Peel thread might do it (admittedly, apologised for later).

Blue touch paper lit>>>>>>>>> legs it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Blue touch paper lit>>>>>>>>> legs it.

It's his MO.

 

[Wilf]

Actually CR, that's a low blow on my part - you did apologise. Same time, when you start a thread about the abuse of refugees and that turns into an opportunity to frame it as 'female abusers', when it becomes a chance to have a go at 'do gooders' and occupy, well, what goes around comes around.

 

[DotCommunist]

its what the thread was always intended to be. He doesn't give a shit about the issues. I can read him like the beano comic he is.

 

[free spirit]

Yeah, I'll tell you what . I'll ask the factory for time off to go to France and be a do gooder. Shouldn't be a problem. I'm terribly busy "doing nothing "apart from struggling to keep a roof over my own fucking head . Must remember to just swan off whenever the notion takes me . In the meantime I'll reflect upon my own lack of worth due to not being active enough in your particular charity . It's not like there's any other issues that are worth bothering about that I could remotely bother myself to devote my spare time to .

there were 2 options suggested in my post -

1 - get involved (as and when you could as the rest of us have done)
2 - shut the fuck up.

If you can't do the former, how about doing the latter?

 

[Idris2002]

3.5 on the CR meltdown scale. Keep poking him and it might get up to a four.

 

[likesfish]

their should not Be a makeshift refugee camp on european soil period.
It should be sorted out with migrants spread around the EU.
Regardless of brexit bollocks its obvious syrians iraqis eritrans somalis libyans are not fleeing because they want uk benefits its because they'd really like to go on breatheing thank you very much.
Gets tricky for say afganhis iranians pakistanis and indians etc etc they maybe refugees or wanting to better themselves

The apply for assylum in the first country where bombs arnt actually falling on you isnt really effective in the 21st century.
Niether is everyone come to the uk.
We should help clear the jungle and come up with a plan that jungle 2 doesnt spring up because the french will get pissed off and go sod it

 

[free spirit]

We should help clear the jungle and come up with a plan that jungle 2 doesnt spring up because the french will get pissed off and go sod it

last time they closed the sandgatt camp IIRC the UK agreed to take in all (or maybe UK half France half, can't remember) the migrants who'd been living there as a settlement to close the camp.

We should do the same now, and at the same time put in place measures that create a simple legal route for refugees to be able to claim assylum in UK embassies elsewhere and then be issued with travel passes to get into the UK.

To me this is the only actual viable solution to the situation, not building fences followed by walls, gathering everyone up into one big camp from the previous dispersed smaller camps, then demolishing the big camp and dispersing everyone again, while at the same time attempting to wash our hands of them and hope they'll somehow just cease to exist.

 

[DownwardDog]

We should do the same now, and at the same time put in place measures that create a simple legal route for refugees to be able to claim assylum in UK embassies elsewhere and then be issued with travel passes to get into the UK.

How many people do you think would come via that route if the UK offered it? Or doesn't it matter how many come? It's just a case of Wir schaffen das.

 

[crossthebreeze]

How many people do you think would come via that route if the UK offered it? Or doesn't it matter how many come? It's just a case of Wir schaffen das.

I can't speak for free spirit, but in my mind asking that measures are put in place so people can apply for asylum via British embassies implies that people would have to be safety vetted and assessed as likely to achieve refugee status according to international standards before they are given travel passes (its not the same as a call for totally open borders). The UK has a much lower percentage of asylum seekers compared to the general population than many EU countries (and the numbers granted refugee status are even smaller). The countries which host the largest numbers of refugees are not in Europe. The UK is currently not meeting international agreements eg on reuniting unaccompanied children with their families. At the moment it doesn't matter what someone's claim to refugee status is, and what their connection to the UK is, or how vulnerable they are, they still cannot enter the country legally or safely. I don't think an increase in numbers of people seeking asylum in the UK is a bad thing, if the system is fairer and more humane than it is now.

 

[Casually Red]

Actually CR, that's a low blow on my part - you did apologise. Same time, when you start a thread about the abuse of refugees and that turns into an opportunity to frame it as 'female abusers', when it becomes a chance to have a go at 'do gooders' and occupy, well, what goes around comes around.

This is utter bollocks . I've barely mentioned the gender of the abusers . Utter bollocks .

 

[Casually Red]

there were 2 options suggested in my post -

1 - get involved (as and when you could as the rest of us have done)
2 - shut the fuck up.

If you can't do the former, how about doing the latter?

Nope . The storys in the MSM, it's not your personal property. Mere mortals are reading and talking about it as well . I'll comment on it if I feel like it , just like anybody else.

 

[Casually Red]

schoolboy error. everyone else apart from you and krtek a houby knows better than to confess to feeling picked on. it doesn't matter if you are or aren't being picked on, the simple fact you feel picked on marks you out as a target.

A schoolboy error not to recognise when piss is being blatantly taken .

 

[Treacle Toes]