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Allegations of widespread sexual exploitation of Calais migrants by British volunteers

Manter said:
Tbh if you had been on the receiving end of some of the abuse I have seen and received myself over the last week you'd both be so angry that seemed positively restrained and understand where she is coming from. Most of it is abusive, barely literate, and built on a set of 'grab her by the hair and drag her back to your cave' principles that I genuinely thought we'd evolved beyond. Apparently if my husband cannot control me (those who think a slut/bitch/leftie/feminazi (choose your favourite epithet) like me can get a husband) they'll show me how a proper man treats a woman (I suspect that doesn't include amusing and mutually respectful conversation). I should be tested for disease, know my place shut the fuck up, stop betraying my race, tell them in precise detail how many massive black cocks I have had stuffed up me and do I beg for it? I should also apparently be helping soldiers not dirty afghans. A lot to unpack in that one....

'Misogynist' doesn't even begin to cover it.

And I'm not even particularly high profile or interesting as volunteers go.
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Post 'liked', but y'know not liked.
 
Casually Red said:
Have you ever considered the position that such vulnerable people shouldn't be volunteers in the first place ? That they're a fucking hindrance ? Using the plight of others to validate themselves ? That they are plainly unfit for purpose ?
This is a human tragedy in Calais. People, not a cause or a position . It's not fucking Occupy .theres a shit load of idiots that shouldn't be there at all .that's why this bollocks is happening .
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perhaps this would all have been resolved far better if you'd chosen to step up to the plate and organise the volunteer response to this situation yourself, but as you didn't perhaps you'd consider shutting the fuck up rather than laying in to those who did and found themselves in over their heads but still did their best to help as best they could because the authorities and major charities had all largely washed their hands of the camp(s) and the thousands of people who've been stuck in them / passed through them.

There have been thousands of people who've volunteered to assist as and when they've been able over the last couple of years, of those I bet there's only a handful that this really applies to - almost certainly well under 1%. Without those thousands of volunteers pitching in many of those in the camps probably wouldn't have made it through last winter, or if they did it would have been in far more squalid inhuman conditions.

So yes this is a human tragedy, yes it's not fucking occupy, but when the state and big aid agencies decide to turn their backs on several thousand people on our doorstep I don't see that the doing nothing and turning a blind eye to it because we're not experienced aid workers option is really the preferable option.
 
free spirit said:
perhaps this would all have been resolved far better if you'd chosen to step up to the plate and organise the volunteer response to this situation yourself, but as you didn't perhaps you'd consider shutting the fuck up rather than laying in to those who did and found themselves in over their heads but still did their best to help as best they could because the authorities and major charities had all largely washed their hands of the camp(s) and the thousands of people who've been stuck in them / passed through them.

There have been thousands of people who've volunteered to assist as and when they've been able over the last couple of years, of those I bet there's only a handful that this really applies to - almost certainly well under 1%. Without those thousands of volunteers pitching in many of those in the camps probably wouldn't have made it through last winter, or if they did it would have been in far more squalid inhuman conditions.

So yes this is a human tragedy, yes it's not fucking occupy, but when the state and big aid agencies decide to turn their backs on several thousand people on our doorstep I don't see that the doing nothing and turning a blind eye to it because we're not experienced aid workers option is really the preferable option.
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Yup absolutely.

And it is way way less than 1%- there are literally tens of thousands of people who have volunteered over the last year. Some once, some have given up their whole lives for a bit ( ;) ). As the Syrian says, any single one of us individually is doing more than the British government at the moment.
 
Also worth saying that one of the things that is so amazing is the number of people involved in this aid effort who have never been near calais or a refugee. People who collect, sort, source or glean, pack up, organise, fundraise....This is then all passed on to the ones who load vans at 4 am and get on an early ferry so they can make the warehouse meeting. It's then a subset of all these amazing people who actually go into camp. I've been lucky enough to be involved all along the chain and there are some truly incredible people just doing such amazing things. I've made great friends, had loads of preconceptions challenged, learned stuff I didn't even know I didn't know.... its just so infuriating to see all that denigrated and dismissed.
 
free spirit said:
perhaps this would all have been resolved far better if you'd chosen to step up to the plate and organise the volunteer response to this situation yourself, but as you didn't perhaps you'd consider shutting the fuck up rather than laying in to those who did and found themselves in over their heads but still did their best to help as best they could because the authorities and major charities had all largely washed their hands of the camp(s) and the thousands of people who've been stuck in them / passed through them.

There have been thousands of people who've volunteered to assist as and when they've been able over the last couple of years, of those I bet there's only a handful that this really applies to - almost certainly well under 1%. Without those thousands of volunteers pitching in many of those in the camps probably wouldn't have made it through last winter, or if they did it would have been in far more squalid inhuman conditions.

So yes this is a human tragedy, yes it's not fucking occupy, but when the state and big aid agencies decide to turn their backs on several thousand people on our doorstep I don't see that the doing nothing and turning a blind eye to it because we're not experienced aid workers option is really the preferable option.
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Yeah, I'll tell you what . I'll ask the factory for time off to go to France and be a do gooder. Shouldn't be a problem. I'm terribly busy "doing nothing "apart from struggling to keep a roof over my own fucking head . Must remember to just swan off whenever the notion takes me . In the meantime I'll reflect upon my own lack of worth due to not being active enough in your particular charity . It's not like there's any other issues that are worth bothering about that I could remotely bother myself to devote my spare time to .
 
Casually Red said:
Yeah, I'll tell you what . I'll ask the factory for time off to go to France and be a do gooder. Shouldn't be a problem. I'm terribly busy "doing nothing "apart from struggling to keep a roof over my own fucking head . Must remember to just swan off whenever the notion takes me . In the meantime I'll reflect upon my own lack of worth due to not being active enough in your particular charity . It's not like there's any other issues that are worth bothering about that I could remotely bother myself to devote my spare time to .
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I guess you've got your Assad/Putin cheer-leading to keep you occupied, so it figures.
 
Lots of people with jobs do stuff to support Calais. In fact I'd say the vast majority are normal people with normal jobs who take time off and/or go at weekends and spend their evenings doing amazing work to help the people in the camps. This professional do gooder stuff is down right nasty and basically a load of shit.
 
poptyping said:
Lots of people with jobs do stuff to support Calais. In fact I'd say the vast majority are normal people with normal jobs who take time off and/or go at weekends and spend their evenings doing amazing work to help the people in the camps. This professional do gooder stuff is down right nasty and basically a load of shit.
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...it's pretty much the bottom of the barrel in terms of preserving the space to be judgemental/critical and justify why they are doing naff all themselves.
 
Casually Red said:
I meant to say professional do gooder. They're a higher species than us normal twats with jobs, commitments and stuff . And love to let you know it.
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Bollocks. Loads of the volunteers have jobs, families, commitments (two I know of are chronically ill on top of all that).

The whole point of this grassroots effort is loads of people from loads of walks of life have all come together to support these people trapped in hell
 
poptyping said:
Lots of people with jobs do stuff to support Calais. In fact I'd say the vast majority are normal people with normal jobs who take time off and/or go at weekends and spend their evenings doing amazing work to help the people in the camps. This professional do gooder stuff is down right nasty and basically a load of shit.
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My private helicopter is in for repairs ( too many barrel bomb missions ) I'll just jump into my fucking Tardis , exit this island, go to the other one, catch a ferry , go to France and swan about like mother Theresa and try not to fuck any migrants . Then I'll do it'll over again in reverse and be home in time for tea and work on Monday . A failure to achieve that level of worthiness is inexcusable. And wasting oxygen , pretty much.
 
Casually Red said:
My private helicopter is in for repairs ( too many barrel bomb missions ) I'll just jump into my fucking Tardis , exit this island, go to the other one, catch a ferry , go to France and swan about like mother Theresa and try not to fuck any migrants . Then I'll do it'll over again in reverse and be home in time for tea and work on Monday . A failure to achieve that level of worthiness is inexcusable. And wasting oxygen , pretty much.
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Really? this is where you want to focus your rage & bile? You're being a dick for the sake of it and you know it.
 
Casually Red said:
My private helicopter is in for repairs ( too many barrel bomb missions ) I'll just jump into my fucking Tardis , exit this island, go to the other one, catch a ferry , go to France and swan about like mother Theresa and try not to fuck any migrants . Then I'll do it'll over again in reverse and be home in time for tea and work on Monday . A failure to achieve that level of worthiness is inexcusable. And wasting oxygen , pretty much.
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What the hell are you talking about? There are thousands of people who help but have never been to France! Just stop it CR. You are looking so petty right now.
 
Casually Red said:
My private helicopter is in for repairs ( too many barrel bomb missions ) I'll just jump into my fucking Tardis , exit this island, go to the other one, catch a ferry , go to France and swan about like mother Theresa and try not to fuck any migrants . Then I'll do it'll over again in reverse and be home in time for tea and work on Monday . A failure to achieve that level of worthiness is inexcusable. And wasting oxygen , pretty much.
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Anyone can find an excuse for not helping people in need but this is just ridiculous. And your post absolutely shows that you have no regard for the residents of the camp in Calais. Its no wonder people are questioning your motives for starting this thread. Its not borne out of concern for them at all. Its just an excercise in slagging off the volunteers.

For example, I've seen no mention by you of Pepsi, the trans woman who has been raped in the junglem where is your outrage for her?
 
poptyping said:
Anyone can find an excuse for not helping people in need but this is just ridiculous. And your post absolutely shows that you have no regard for the residents of the camp in Calais. Its no wonder people are questioning your motives for starting this thread. Its not borne out of concern for them at all. Its just an excercise in slagging off the volunteers.

For example, I've seen no mention by you of Pepsi, the trans woman who has been raped in the junglem where is your outrage for her?
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Probably around the same level as yourself or anyone else who never mentioned it either. Why didn't you bring it up ?

I'm aware of a number of people who were raped there . If I brought that up though I'd be accused by all and sundry of racism and well you know it . After the cologne shit storm I'm never mentioning sexual assaults by migrants again . No different from Oktoberfest anyway .
 
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