Allegations of widespread sexual exploitation of Calais migrants by British volunteers

[Cliff Promise]

Well, only inasmuch as there is mutual benefit to Indian women renting out their wombs to rich Western couples or people in poverty selling a kidney

I don't think the picture posted above of the nice young middle class couple who have met in such a strange and horrible situation is the same as someone selling their kidney l.

 

[trashpony]

I don't think the picture posted above of the nice young middle class couple who have met in such a strange and horrible situation is the same as someone selling their kidney l.

Eh? You were talking about middle aged European men and young wo/men in Thailand

 

[Cliff Promise]

Eh? You were talking about middle aged European men and young wo/men in Thailand

Yes as a comparison with refugees and aid workers or volunteers falling in love. Love blossoms in all sorts of situations and who are we to judge? I think the two are comparable unlike a destitute person selling a kidney.

 

[Poot]

Okay that's all fair points, and I think it is very worrying if those crimes are being conducted against the refugees. Is it your view that the other crimes you refer to are being carried out by gangs among the refugees or by European gangs preying on the camp? Or a combination of both? Or even by "aid workers", I know my ex was convinced charity workers in Indonesia were preying on children there though she didn't have any evidence; just third hand stories.

It reminds me a bit of the scares about middle aged European men in Thailand with younger local partners, when in reality there is mutual benefit from such arrangements.

That's completely different, though. You weren't drawing any comparisons there, I'm assuming? That would need to be dealt with immediately.

 

[Cliff Promise]

That's completely different, though. You weren't drawing any comparisons there, I'm assuming? That would need to be dealt with immediately.

I'm just wondering if there has been any evidence or rumour of aid workers carrying out any of the crimes mentioned in the post I quoted.

 

[Red Cat]

I don't think the picture posted above of the nice young middle class couple who have met in such a strange and horrible situation is the same as someone selling their kidney l.

How do you know anything about them from a photo? Do you think you can see emotional need from a photo? Because that's usually what the issue is in unboundaried relationships, its two people, one with more power than the other, meeting an intimate and powerful emotional need in themselves and the other. Which is what makes these kinds of relationships complex and needing more than rules to help us think about whats going on and minimise any harm that may occur.

 

[Spymaster]

It'd also be nice if those twats who made those snide accusations against Liamo had the character to withdraw them.

The Saturday night trolls weren't Liam.

It's a naive and clichéd response to trolling posts on these boards to immediately accuse people of being banned returners or existing poster's sock puppets. Like only current or ex-posters could have beef with U75!

Stormfront members have loads of sleeper accounts on Urban75 (they call it Turban75). They boast about them on their own boards. One guy was taking the piss not so long ago about having posted here for months and people still not sussing out that he's a racist. There are also posters here accepted as "well known members" who are Stormfront.

This thread is the perfect target for their attentions and it was almost certainly some of them posting the other night.

Fuck knows why people feel the need to accuse U75 posters all the time. Open your fucking eyes to what's really out there. Anybody in the world with an Internet connection can join and post here. It's not at all difficult.

 

[keybored]

Eh? You were talking about middle aged European men and young wo/men in Thailand

It wasn't easy to find a picture that I feel represents the scenario Cliff was trying to explain, but I think I've managed it.

 

[DotCommunist]

Andrew Neil always shrugged that one off as 'public schoolboy racism' iirc. I really hope he dies soon

 

[Treacle Toes]

There are also posters here accepted as "well known members" who are Stormfront.

.

How do you know this for sure?

 

[Spymaster]

How do you know this for sure?

Because I read their boards.

They often link to threads here so that several of them can troll them at the same time.

Most of the stuff you have to join to view, but if you Google "turban75" you'll get about 5 pages of Stormfront links to some of their older posts about here, which will give you an idea of what they do.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Saturday night trolls weren't Liam.

It's a naive and clichéd response to trolling posts on these boards to immediately accuse people of being banned returners or existing posters sock puppets. Like only current or ex-posters could have beef with U75!

Stormfront members have loads of sleeper accounts on Urban75 (they call it Turban75). They boast about them on their own boards. One guy was taking the piss not so long ago about having posted here for months and people still not sussing out that he's a racist. There are also posters here accepted as "well known members" who are Stormfront.

This thread is the perfect target for their attentions and it was almost certainly some of them posting the other night.

Fuck knows why people feel the need to accuse U75 posters all the time. Open your fucking eyes to what's really out there. Anybody in the world with an Internet connection can join and post here. It's not at all difficult.

interesting, pa, to see machine cat banned for having alt accounts. so it looks like he was one of these well known members you were talking about

 

[IC3D]

Yea, like who? That's more interesting than CR turning Shirley Valentine into a sex positive feminist predating young men in tents.

 

[Spymaster]

interesting, pa, to see machine cat banned for having alt accounts. so it looks like he was one of these well known members you were talking about

Well obviously there are also a few posters with multiple accounts, son. They're just not as prevalent as people seem to think. A lot of the mischief that's caused on these boards is orchestrated by outsiders.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well obviously there are also a few posters with multiple accounts, son. They're just not as prevalent as people seem to think. A lot of the mischief that's caused on these boards is orchestrated by outsiders.

yeh. but when a poster of eleven years standing is banned for alt accounts at a time when several newbie accounts are banned, well, at least one of the racist troll newbie accounts seems to have been machine cat's.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well obviously there are also a few posters with multiple accounts, son. They're just not as prevalent as people seem to think. A lot of the mischief that's caused on these boards is orchestrated by outsiders.

pa

 

[DotCommunist]

I called far right trolls pages ago, there is a certain style to them, one of the aspects being a creepy gleeful prurience and pretending its all so funny.

 

[Athos]

Because I read their boards.

I'm not sure I'd take what they say at face value. I find it hard to believe that they would have the discipline and motivation not to show out fairly early on.

Trolling yes, but deep u/c penetration? Apart from anything else, it would hardly be worth the effort. They can see what's posted without having to cultivate a legend; that would only be of use for making more direct or private contact e.g. PMs or face-to-face.

And they must know that some of us read their boards, so they have an interest in putting stuff there to show the seeds of doubt, so as to undermine this community and solidarity.

 

[Spymaster]

I'm not sure I'd take what they say at face value. I find it hard to believe that they would have the discipline and motivation not to show out fairly early on.

Trolling yes, but deep u/c penetration? Apart from anything else, it would hardly be worth the effort. They can see what's posted without having to cultivate a legend; that would only be of use for making more direct or private contact e.g. PMs or face-to-face.

And they must know that some of us read their boards, so they have an interest in putting stuff there to show the seeds of doubt, so as to undermine this community and solidarity.

It's not difficult to get log-ins. Just register and leave them for a while. And don't doubt people's motivation to cause trouble on the internet. Some fuckers make it their life's work! A group of us here had multiple log-ins to loads of White Power and right wing sites a few years ago and trolled at least one of them to extinction. It doesn't take too much effort at all.

As far as Shitfront is concerned, they very definitely have members on here reading and posting. Even a cursory look at their boards makes that obvious.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not difficult to get log-ins. Just register and leave them for a while. A group of us here had multiple log-ins to loads of White Power and right wing sites a few years ago and trolled at least one of them to extinction. It doesn't take too much effort at all.

As far as Shitfront is concerned, they very definitely have members on here reading and posting. Even a cursory look at their boards makes that obvious.

not to mention there are hundreds and probably thousands of people who have never posted registered here, some of whom lurk.

 

[Spymaster]

not to mention there are hundreds and probably thousands of people who have never posted registered here, some of whom lurk.

Indeed. That's probably often what's happening when a poster with forthright opinions suddenly becomes active after only having posted 30 times in 8 years.

 

[existentialist]

I'm just wondering if there has been any evidence or rumour of aid workers carrying out any of the crimes mentioned in the post I quoted.

It's possible that there has been.

Where the OP has gone significantly wrong (beyond organising a broadband connection) is in automatically extrapolating some arguably anecdotal claims into the notion that what he describes is normal, tolerated, and approved of. Of course, that suits his agenda nicely: his internal stereotype of that which he opposes (presumably, "lefties") has them as prepared to excuse anything, rather than his response which is to launch off into a great frothing intolerant rant at anything he doesn't think is right.

 

[existentialist]

The Saturday night trolls weren't Liam.

It's a naive and clichéd response to trolling posts on these boards to immediately accuse people of being banned returners or existing posters sock puppets. Like only current or ex-posters could have beef with U75!

Stormfront members have loads of sleeper accounts on Urban75 (they call it Turban75). They boast about them on their own boards. One guy was taking the piss not so long ago about having posted here for months and people still not sussing out that he's a racist. There are also posters here accepted as "well known members" who are Stormfront.

This thread is the perfect target for their attentions and it was almost certainly some of them posting the other night.

Fuck knows why people feel the need to accuse U75 posters all the time. Open your fucking eyes to what's really out there. Anybody in the world with an Internet connection can join and post here. It's not at all difficult.

Maybe it's easier just to characterise such trolls in terms of what we know, rather than have to expand our view to incorporate the idea that "outsiders" could be part of Urban, too, without our knowing it.

The advantage Urban has is that - despite its fairly regular incursions into dogma territory - it is, by the standards of echo chambers like St*rmfront, both far more inclusive and a great deal more nuanced/reflective in its outlook. So loony racists generally out themselves quickly enough that not doing so becomes something worthy of note

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Saturday night trolls weren't Liam.

It's a naive and clichéd response to trolling posts on these boards to immediately accuse people of being banned returners or existing posters sock puppets. Like only current or ex-posters could have beef with U75!

Stormfront members have loads of sleeper accounts on Urban75 (they call it Turban75). They boast about them on their own boards. One guy was taking the piss not so long ago about having posted here for months and people still not sussing out that he's a racist. There are also posters here accepted as "well known members" who are Stormfront.

This thread is the perfect target for their attentions and it was almost certainly some of them posting the other night.

Fuck knows why people feel the need to accuse U75 posters all the time. Open your fucking eyes to what's really out there. Anybody in the world with an Internet connection can join and post here. It's not at all difficult.

Shut it firky, you cunt!!!

 

[Pickman's model]

The Saturday night trolls weren't Liam.

 

[Athos]

Maybe. Whilst I'd always remain cautious, I'm unconvinced that there's long-term sleepers that are particularly active or significant members here. I think there's value for them in having us think that, though.

 

[Spymaster]

Maybe it's easier just to characterise such trolls in terms of what we know, rather than have to expand our view to incorporate the idea that "outsiders" could be part of Urban, too, without our knowing it.

It's certainly more comfortable to believe that. The fact is, there's far more sinister shit going on.

The advantage Urban has is that - despite its fairly regular incursions into dogma territory - it is, by the standards of echo chambers like St*rmfront, both far more inclusive and a great deal more nuanced/reflective in its outlook. So loony racists generally out themselves quickly enough that not doing so becomes something worthy of note

I think this underestimates the likes of who we're talking about. There are some extremely clever well informed racists over there, a lot of whom would give our politicos a run for their money. Similarly, not all of the posters are knuckle dragging morons. I've seen posters on Stormfront talking about having posted here for many, many, months without being busted. It's a game to a lot of folk. As I said, plenty of U75 posters do it elsewhere. I had a Stormfront log-in for several years and had a couple of hundred posts there.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe. Whilst I'd always remain cautious, I'm unconvinced that there's long-term sleepers that are particularly active or significant members here. I think there's value for them in having us think that, though.

being as so much of the boards can be accessed by anyone i would be surprised if there were many long-term fascist logins. however, there are so many dull obsessives on the right i might be surprised after all.

 

[existentialist]

It's certainly more comfortable to believe that. The fact is, there's far more sinister shit going on.

I think this underestimates the likes of who we're talking about. There are some extremely clever well informed racists over there. A lot of them would give our politicos a run for their money. Similarly, not all of the posters are knuckle dragging morons. I've seen posters on Stormfront talking about having posted here for many, many, months without being busted. It's a game to a lot of folk. As I said, plenty of U75 posters do it elsewhere. I had a Stormfront log-in for several years and had a couple of hundred posts there.

Well, yes, but if they're posting here and not getting busted, they're unlikely to be blatantly trolling. Repugnant as I find the racist attitudes of the St*rmfront mob, I quite like the idea that some of them could be hanging around on here and being "infected" with, at the very least, a different viewpoint.

But I think they'll be in the minority. Just as with the Urbanites (present company included ) who've gone onto white supremacist boards and tweaked their noses from a kind of "hur, hur, look at the stupid racists getting their knickers in a twist" position, most of the traffic in the other direction will be the quick-payback blatant trolling that's disruptive and annoying for a brief period of time, then, like cat sick, gets mopped up, never to be seen again. That's not to say that the long-term "sleepers" aren't a potential threat, and I wouldn't advise that we be complacent, but I think there's a broad-mindedness here that isn't echoed on the kind of boards where the slightest dissenting view gets you booted off PDQ.

 

[DotCommunist]

a lot of whom would give our politicos a run for their money.

Can't lose if you don't play. Smart as some eichmannish sorts may be, they will always be defeated by derision and lampooning. Whats the point in engaging? thats the enemy, the only engagement worth having is a 'frank exchange of views'