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All the big trees next to Carlton Mansions (by Somerleyton Road) have just been cut down

He, by seize the day you mean profit obscenely? ;)

I'd want to see the deal...must be online somewhere...
 
Wookey said:
He, by seize the day you mean profit obscenely? ;)

I'd want to see the deal...must be online somewhere...
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Didn't you go to the Planning Committee. Forget when it was - a few years ago.
It was a bit controversial because the proposal had limited "affordable" housing. But as you will know this can always be whittled down by a feasibility study.

Please note the planning application was approved by Lambeth before Sadiq Khan's fast track system was introduced.

As regards blocking the sale of land from one capitalist entrepreneur to another - when was that ever on the cards - even under Corbyn (should he come to power which seems unlikely given his paralysis on votes of confidence etc).

[Edited to note: - that planning permission only applies to the factory units used currently by the wholesale fish mongers. The Angela Davis Industrial Estate (now flattened) belongs to the council, as does the land between 16 Somelryton Road and Coldharbour Lane. Unfortunately Lambeth's inefficiency in serving a CPO order on the Frozen Fish distributor has left their development (or Brixton Green's if you consider it so) to have a big gap in it.]
 
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Wookey said:
I think BG claim to have lobbied for residential development of the land, I don't see them trying to copyright the idea ffs. They're local residents who have voiced what they think, that's fine by me - to what extent that influenced council officers, or anyone else, I have no idea.
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I think you should perhaps read the thread on these boards about Brixton Green to see how full of shit they are. They're a bunch of proven liars.

Brixton Green withdraws allegations made against Brixton Buzz but offers up no explanation or apology

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2015/05/...s-locked-out-of-community-project-in-brixton/

Southwyck House residents angered as Brixton Green unilaterally claim support
 
Wookey said:
I think BG claim to have lobbied for residential development of the land, I don't see them trying to copyright the idea ffs. They're local residents who have voiced what they think, that's fine by me - to what extent that influenced council officers, or anyone else, I have no idea. Don't really care to be honest, it's not the most interesting aspect of the story for me. What's interesting is the comparibly high percentage of affordable housing/social rent housing compared to national average, whether that has been sustained, and if the model of a central administrative charity who holds the capital investment debt and pays back through market-rate rent profits is a sustainable and replicatable model.

It seems you don't think much of Brixton Green, no idea why. But regardless, that is an old article and the model (as editor suggests) could well have changed, so I'd have to find out more, unless you know?
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Your not listening.

Im trying to state the facts.

This is Council led project. They will hold the debt. The financial risk will be taken by Lambeth council.

Its not about whether I like Brixton green or not.

Lambeth will raise finance for the scheme. Not Brixton Green.

Which bit of this don't you understand?
 
Gramsci said:
Your not listening.

Im trying to state the facts.

This is Council led project. They will hold the debt. The financial risk will be taken by Lambeth council.

Its not about whether I like Brixton green or not.

Lambeth will raise finance for the scheme. Not Brixton Green.

Which bit of this don't you understand?
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Thanks for explaining! I wasn't suggesting BG had raised finances though.

BG look dodgy as fuck, no doubt about that. I was more interested in the administrative charity taking rents (not the council it would seem) and the social rent housing quota, if that's been maintained from planning to build.
 
djdando said:
No, because that’s not the only type of housing that is needed is it?!
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As others have said, social housing is exactly what's needed. There's a lot of private development going on, some of it at the expense of those needing social housing.
 
equationgirl said:
As others have said, social housing is exactly what's needed. There's a lot of private development going on, some of it at the expense of those needing social housing.
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It's astonishing that anyone who lives and cares about the area can think any different.
 
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I guess all that adjacent upmarket private development healthily increases the value of their properties, whereas social housing being built nearby may give a less favourable return.
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Only if the development is done to a reasonable standard, poorly executed developments won't increase in value as much. Communities need social housing to support all sorts of people, and the community itself is enriched. It may not be an increase in monetary terms, but then that's all some people think about, missing the wider points about social housing.
 
equationgirl said:
Only if the development is done to a reasonable standard, poorly executed developments won't increase in value as much. Communities need social housing to support all sorts of people, and the community itself is enriched. It may not be an increase in monetary terms, but then that's all some people think about, missing the wider points about social housing.
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I couldn't agree more but with more and more gated communities rising up and turning Brixton into a two-tier society, it's a philosophy that seems to be going out of fashion.
 
editor said:
I thought he made his opinion on what housing is needed in the area very clear. And it's an opinion I strongly disagree with. How about you?
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I was puzzled by the logical argument. If they live in the area, but think differently, do they somehow stop living in the area?
 
ChrisSouth said:
I was puzzled by the logical argument. If they live in the area, but think differently, do they somehow stop living in the area?
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For someone hung up on logic, you're taking quite an artistic spin on what I actually said and clearly meant, but whatever. Thanks for your wonderful contribution to this discussion.
 
editor said:
For someone hung up on logic, you're taking quite an artistic spin on what I actually said and clearly meant, but whatever.
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Because people may have a different view from you, it doesn't mean they don't live in the area or don't care about the area.
 
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ChrisSouth said:
Because people may have a different view from you, it doesn't mean they don't live in the area or don't care about the area.
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I really have no idea why you're pursuing this frankly odd point which you've clearly misunderstood from the very start, but how about we all move on now?
 
Marka17 said:
Hello all, happy Christmas Eve. Been meaning to sign up to here to ask a question on this. Noticed the tree's chopped down for the theatre development. Does anyone know if the row of trees, around 10 in all, that run down Somerleyton Road are protected from future development? It would be criminal if they were chopped down too.
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There's some sort of fuzzy tree like structures in the CGI mockups for the development but I doubt if that adds up to much.

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Future Brixton: Somerleyton Road redevelopment scheme report released
 
editor said:
There's some sort of fuzzy tree like structures in the CGI mockups for the development but I doubt if that adds up to much.
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There's a Landscape Proposals section of the Design Statement, showing exactly which trees will be retained/removed. 6 trees will be removed on CHL pavement, 2 retained and 4 new ones will be planted. The 2 "missing" trees would obstruct the entrance to the theatre.

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All but 3 of the large mature trees on Somerleyton Road will be retained.
 
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