Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

It had to be entirely shaped by them. She was a blank canvass remember? Other than to trigger events by lodging a report of lost or stolen bag on the night in question, that was the sum total of her contribution to their case up to that point. Nonetheless on the basis that she remembered nothing the footballers were arrested on suspicion of? Handbag theft? Nope. Rape. And so the the dye was cast. So it looks like the police have arrived at conclusions ahead of the investigation. So her choices at this stage were to a) walk away entirely or b) cooperate with what is now inevitably their narrative. Much to her regret I'd imagine, she decided to go along with the police proposals.
So, given that she said she couldn't remember events later in the evening, what was the shaping you are very keen to emphasise? To be specific, what did she start out saying and what was this shaped into? Oh, and where's your evidence for this claim? You do have some evidence, don't you?
 
That does seem kind of significant to the primary argument that she was not in a fit state to give meaningful consent then. Doesn't it.
Leaving all else aside (including how any of us feel about the law arbitrating who is and who isn't a competent adult able to consent or not) wandering off leaving your bag wallet phone etc means you're probably really not ok, in quite an obvious way?

Yes, indeed it could. On the other hand she was aware she didn't have it. As she alerted the first footballer to the fact that her bag was missing when she met him.
 
None of them were inconvenient. Some were naive. And some were stupid. Most, if not all. were answered nonetheless.
No they weren't, you didn't answer any I put to you, nor many from others.

Your attempts at superiority are making you look like a dick, quite frankly.
 
Yes, indeed it could. On the other hand she was aware she didn't have it. As she alerted the first footballer to the fact that her bag was missing when she met him.
Oh. And he replied no worries love never mind your bag I've got this hotel room booked?
her having lost her bag and telling him about it doesn't help M & then E's case at all, does it.
 
Speculation.
That seems to be your stock answer for anything you don't like.

Your current dissection over the location of her handbag isn't doing you any favours - this woman is talking about moving to the other side of the world because of unwanted attention. Give it up.
 
Speculation.

Sorrry, I saw confused by you quoting my post and sometime else's.

Are you saying that you were just speculating? That what you had previously presented as fact was no such thing?

Why would you do that? Why does your speculation always favour Evans?
 
Sorrry, I saw confused by you quoting my post and sometime else's.

Are you saying that you were just speculating? That what you had previously presented as fact was no such thing?

Why would you do that? Why does your speculation always favour Evans?
His posting history indicates he's a big football fan - footballers couldn't possibly be sexual predators, now, could they? but I'm speculating...
 
So, given that she said she couldn't remember events later in the evening, what was the shaping you are very keen to emphasise? To be specific, what did she start out saying and what was this shaped into? Oh, and where's your evidence for this claim? You do have some evidence, don't you?
Before you get too carried away, ask yourself this. Did she give evidence in court? If the answer is yes, then everything she said outside of 'I don't remember' would have been vetted and approved by the professionals, who had put their reputations on the line in rushing to judgement on the matter themselves. So if she went down in flames so did they. It's common practice. Barristers on both sides would go through the witness statements line by line. Inch by inch. Along with their clients. if something erroneous appears they will draw their clients attention to it, and in a lawyerly way of course - point to the possible pitfall. And help them step round it.
 
Oh, ok, the Sexual Offences Act 2003, is it?

Well, s.1 of that act doesn't define consent or reasonable belief, either.

So, your argument was based upon an act of which you knew neither the name nor the content.

Tell me again how I don't have a clue. Clown.

No your right it defines rape and makes only a reference to consent and reasonable belief, as i said it was from memory long ago and my mind isnt what it was. So just to be clear i have failing eye sight and other medical conditions that affect not only memory but cognition at times too. Lets no beat about the bush, im not here to dick swing, i have a Law degree from 2001-2004, at a time when s41 was still relativley new, I only had sight in one eye back then too but managed a heavy uni workload and night voluntary work alongside caring for my elderly grandma with dementia, which was harder than my degree. But my health is now very poor but ill try and keep up, you may have to have a little patience though.
 
Oh. And he replied no worries love never mind your bag I've got this hotel room booked?
her having lost her bag and telling him about it doesn't help M & then E's case at all, does it.

Perhaps not, but hardly enough to warrnat a rape charge though.
 
Before you get too carried away, ask yourself this. Did she give evidence in court? If the answer is yes, then everything she said outside of 'I don't remember' would have been vetted and approved by the professionals, who had put their reputations on the line in rushing to judgement on the matter themselves. So if she went down in flames so did they. It's common practice. Barristers on both sides would go through the witness statements line by line. Inch by inch. Along with their clients. if something erroneous appears they will draw their clients attention to it, and in a lawyerly way of course - point to the possible pitfall. And help them step round it.

So, as well as making things up about the police's intentions, you're now accusing the prosecution lawyers of what would effectively amount to professional misconduct (all without any evidence)?
 
Before you get too carried away, ask yourself this. Did she give evidence in court? If the answer is yes, then everything she said outside of 'I don't remember' would have been vetted and approved by the professionals, who had put their reputations on the line in rushing to judgement on the matter themselves. So if she went down in flames so did they. It's common practice. Barristers on both sides would go through the witness statements line by line. Inch by inch. Along with their clients. if something erroneous appears they will draw their clients attention to it, and in a lawyerly way of course - point to the possible pitfall. And help them step round it.
Well, yeah, we know all that, but perhaps with slightly less scope for changing when she has consistently said she doesn't remember. So, essentially, no specific evidence at all that her evidence was in any way altered....

... but if you think that's the game, what about evidence that was changed, that was communicated via friends or family of the accused, where 50 grand was offered - what about that, how much shaping would you speculate went on there?
 
Did you read at least the last few pages prior to posting, or the frequently asked questions section?

You may not be intending to, but you're posting some things that can be offensive such as 'anybody could go to the police and claim they were raped, if they didn't remember consenting to sex the night before'. Also, if you claim something as a FACT make sure you back it up with a credible source or reference.

Im sorry if i come across as insensative, no i havent read the FAQ section. I did read quite a lot of this thread though.
 
No your right it defines rape and makes only a reference to consent and reasonable belief, as i said it was from memory long ago and my mind isnt what it was. So just to be clear i have failing eye sight and other medical conditions that affect not only memory but cognition at times too. Lets no beat about the bush, im not here to dick swing, i have a Law degree from 2001-2004, at a time when s41 was still relativley new, I only had sight in one eye back then too but managed a heavy uni workload and night voluntary work alongside caring for my elderly grandma with dementia, which was harder than my degree. But my health is now very poor but ill try and keep up, you may have to have a little patience though.
I'm sorry for your health problems.
 
Perhaps not, but hardly enough to warrnat a rape charge though.
I agree with you, as I've admitted before. But the fact that she walked away from her handbag like that, and told M about having mislaid it does seem like a piece of evidence quite significant to the case built that she was in no fit state to give meaningful consent in the eyes of the law / the jury etc.
 
Pac man please try not to take it too personally when people attack you here, its hard but they don't know you they're just reacting to words on a screen .

Thanks i understand, I do have a difficult time not taking things personally, its part of a MH issue i have that id rather not go into detail about. Its one of the reasons i dont do forums or have facebook or twitter, so im not sure how im going to fit in tbh as it will probably be too stressful for me, we will see though.
 
Are you saying that you were just speculating? That what you had previously presented as fact was no such thing?

Why would you do that? Why does your speculation always favour Evans?

No filling in the gaps like everyone else on here including you. If have no particular brief for him. I suspect the fact that he is probably a not too bright, entitled dick is half the reason the coppers went for him. Him being guilty as charged etc is a different matter.
 
so just pissing in the wind playing devil's advocate for a entitled prick

or do you have another agenda



:hmm:
 
So, as well as making things up about the police's intentions, you're now accusing the prosecution lawyers of what would effectively amount to professional misconduct (all without any evidence)?

It's now clear to me you have no actual experience of how it all works at all do you? Earlier you sort of alluded to some professional expertise. But it was just eyewash wasn't it?
The police made their intentions clear when they arrested them for rape - ahead of questioning them. Nothing to do with me.
 
That does seem kind of significant to the primary argument that she was not in a fit state to give meaningful consent then. Doesn't it.
Leaving all else aside (including how any of us feel about the law arbitrating who is and who isn't a competent adult able to consent or not) wandering off leaving your bag wallet phone etc means you're probably really not ok, in quite an obvious way?
If you're in the midst of an alcoholic blackout, that's exactly the kind of thing that happens. You lose shit, including important shit. You put something down then forget that you've put it down. You've lost, or had severely disrupted, the ability to lay down new memories.

I'm reluctant to post more on this thread, as I have no desire to talk directly about the woman involved or any of her actions. She has nothing whatever to answer for. But losing a bag in a period you don't remember because of alcohol, that's not unexpected.
 
Well, yeah, we know all that, but perhaps with slightly less scope for changing when she has consistently said she doesn't remember. So, essentially, no specific evidence at all that her evidence was in any way altered....

... but if you think that's the game, what about evidence that was changed, that was communicated via friends or family of the accused, where 50 grand was offered - what about that, how much shaping would you speculate went on there?

That is all after the fact. There was no evidence it was changed: merely added to. Would you perjure yourself for £25,000?
 
Thanks i understand, I do have a difficult time not taking things personally, its part of a MH issue i have that id rather not go into detail about. Its one of the reasons i dont do forums or have facebook or twitter, so im not sure how im going to fit in tbh as it will probably be too stressful for me, we will see though.
Well politics is probably the most aggressive of all the urban forums, so if you feel it's too much try general which is much lighter in tone.

I'm sorry for your health problems too.
 
Back
Top Bottom