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A thank you to Brexiteers.

What about farmers? The news today seems to be we are going to have a trade deal with zero imports on cheap meat from Australia - fucking Autralia ffs, that'll be a great environmental step forward .

About 25 years ago, the supermarkets were flooded with ultra cheap (& really good) mature Australian Cheddar. While I wasn’t complaining about the price at the time, I did wonder how it could possibly be economically viable to ship a cheap bulk foodstuff from the other side of the world (let alone the environmental considerations)
 
About 25 years ago, the supermarkets were flooded with ultra cheap (& really good) mature Australian Cheddar. While I wasn’t complaining about the price at the time, I did wonder how it could possibly be economically viable to ship a cheap bulk foodstuff from the other side of the world (let alone the environmental considerations)
Maybe they had a cheese mountain down there, as you do when dairy farmers get the Gov buying excess milk, so it was free cheese apart from the shipping. I like the word cheese mountain.
 
The promise to farmers of protection from other markets and the reality of Brexit being free trade, which could kill off our farming community, sums up Brexit under the Conservatives.

Even pro Brexit people must admit the implementation is going badly for the workers in most industries.
 
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How Brexit is going.

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So is that stuff about going to the Hotel D'Ville a lie?
no it was true.

'The rule, which has applied to British travellers since the UK left the EU, requires anyone in France hosting non-EU nationals to complete an attestation d’accueil form and submit it for approval to their town hall, a process that can take up to a month. Once stamped and returned, the form, which costs €30 (£26) and requires supporting documents such as proof of address, income and right of residence, must then be forwarded to the guest so they can show it at the border if asked to do so..'

Bahnhof Strasse hope you're not telling yr customers its all scaremongering bolloxs, like you were telling us, and sending them off to stay with their friends without the correct paperwork.
 
Maybe they had a cheese mountain down there, as you do when dairy farmers get the Gov buying excess milk, so it was free cheese apart from the shipping. I like the word cheese mountain.
no it was true.

'The rule, which has applied to British travellers since the UK left the EU, requires anyone in France hosting non-EU nationals to complete an attestation d’accueil form and submit it for approval to their town hall, a process that can take up to a month. Once stamped and returned, the form, which costs €30 (£26) and requires supporting documents such as proof of address, income and right of residence, must then be forwarded to the guest so they can show it at the border if asked to do so..'

Bahnhof Strasse hope you're not telling yr customers its all scaremongering bolloxs, like you were telling us, and sending them off to stay with their friends without the correct paperwork.

Odd isn’t it. Of the 100’s of people I have sent so far this year they have all been sent back to the U.K. for not having this, yet I come on here to say it is not needed.

The sole person that I have had any issue with so far this year was a black French man at Eurostar at Gare du Nord where U.K. immigration told him he needed a form which does not exist and wouldn’t let him pass. We sent him to Charles de Gaulle where he boarded a flight with no issues. We have had no issues at all with people going the other way, many of whom stay in private accommodation.
 
Who have had five years to apply for residency.
This is what pisses me off. The number of British immigrants here who are complaining about not having got their driving licences changed, not got their residency sorted is striking. I appreciate there was a last minute sudden influx but even those arriving as late as December had time to start the process.

One reason is that the UK government kept suggesting that there was no need to do anything. There are some still repeating this mantra. They are wrong.

There's a lot of these immigrants still confused by the rules as they are now affected. They forget that the benefits of EU membership no longer apply to them. Not always the retired either.

I have a mid 20s colleague who won't change her residency status. She doesn't see the need. She lives in Seville. I have a 40+ colleague who supports Brexit. He lives in Jerez.
 
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Odd isn’t it. Of the 100’s of people I have sent so far this year they have all been sent back to the U.K. for not having this, yet I come on here to say it is not needed.

The sole person that I have had any issue with so far this year was a black French man at Eurostar at Gare du Nord where U.K. immigration told him he needed a form which does not exist and wouldn’t let him pass. We sent him to Charles de Gaulle where he boarded a flight with no issues. We have had no issues at all with people going the other way, many of whom stay in private accommodation.
okay, but you were just factually incorrect when you said it was a lie, that twitter thread about france & staying with friends, thats all. Not much point going 'project fear' when its just some facts about admin that we all need to adjust to.
 
no it was true.

'The rule, which has applied to British travellers since the UK left the EU, requires anyone in France hosting non-EU nationals to complete an attestation d’accueil étranger form and submit it for approval to their town hall, a process that can take up to a month. Once stamped and returned, the form, which costs €30 (£26) and requires supporting documents such as proof of address, income and right of residence, must then be forwarded to the guest so they can show it at the border if asked to do so..'

Bahnhof Strasse hope you're not telling yr customers its all scaremongering bolloxs, like you were telling us, and sending them off to stay with their friends without the correct paperwork.
I can vouch for this, as I was looking into this very scenario. It's called the "attestation d'accueil", and is actually a rule that has been in place for a long time for non-EU citizens, which of course UK citizens now are. There are a lot of expat Brits in France who are very used to ad hoc visits from friends and family - it's something I have made full advantage of over the last 15 years - and many of them are discovering, with some surprise, that what was a simple, casual arrangement is now something of a bureaucratic nightmare, particularly if you are an essentially non-French-speaking resident.

France has a lot of strict and onerous laws, and a culture of disregarding those it thinks are silly (eg the requirement to carry two single-use intoximeters in your vehicle at all times - which the French routinely ignored, and has now been abandoned). The problem is that, if you disregard the rules, and they do come after you, fines are often swingeing, which rather naturally discourages people from doing so...particularly people who aren't already ingrained in French attitudes and culture.

While this rule was clearly not designed to punish Brits specifically - given that it existed long before Brexit was even a twinkle in a gammon's eye - I think it would be reasonable to expect that it is unlikely to be one of those that is applied more in the breach than the observance, at least as far as UK citizens are concerned. I mean, if I were a French government official, looking across the Channel at the way the UK is treating EU citizens in this country, I don't think I'd be feeling inclined to cut UK citizens the slack the UK clearly isn't cutting for EU citizens here.

And that is not the only problem. At the moment, the department responsible for issuing French driving licences to licence holders from other countries is overwhelmed, and in the best traditions of French bureaucracy, they appear quite happy to let the process trickle through without increasing the capacity of the system. I hear that the turnaround time is around a year, and this is posing significant problems for older immigrants, whose licences become invalid at age 70, and no longer eligible to be exchanged for a French licence. In that situation, the only option is to take a French driving test. Which requires knowledge - in French - of the rules and laws governing driving, and the ability to complete - in French - a practical driving test, after a minimum of 20 hours' tuition...also in French. A lot of things expats had always been able to take for granted are turning out to be concessions that, post-Brexit, no longer apply.

Regardless of my own views on whether we should have left the EU, it does seem remarkably short-sighted of the UK government not to have investigated, and publicised, the likely impact on UK citizens - including expats - of Brexit on their lifestyles and status abroad. That would have been the honest, and transparent thing to have done, which is why I am not remotely surprised that it didn't happen. After all, when those campaigning against Brexit pointed out even the most minor drawbacks of leaving, it was quickly written off as "Project Fear".

Well, the fear is here now.

ETA: Corrected the name of the attestation.
 
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okay, but you were just factually incorrect when you said it was a lie, that twitter thread about france & staying with friends, thats all. Not much point going 'project fear' when its just some facts about admin that we all need to adjust to.

Apologies, not a total lie but very much in line the a PRC that is required by people coming to the U.K. from Ukrainian, Dubai, Israel and so on.

Never heard of it? Costs £36 and if you need one and don’t get one you can be sent to prison for six months. But they are never needed, just like this French thing, unless there is something else going on.
 
Along with many folk, when I rock up in Calais in me camper, I don't even know where I'm heading for (exactly) let alone have any proof of booking etc.

Utterly unworkable if they want to retain a touring industry.
 
Apologies, not a total lie but very much in line the a PRC that is required by people coming to the U.K. from Ukrainian, Dubai, Israel and so on.

Never heard of it? Costs £36 and if you need one and don’t get one you can be sent to prison for six months. But they are never needed, just like this French thing, unless there is something else going on.
That's not what I understand. I strongly suspect that, in the past, there has tended to be a racist element to its implementation (so, if you're African, and turn up in a French village, someone is almost certainly going to flag it up), but it has definitely been there a long time, and has been implemented before it applied to UK citizens.
 
i'm such an arsehole that i hope this rule does apply to my next door neighbour, who owns a house in the french alps where he does yoga holidays for paying guests from uk. Idk if he voted leave or not but remember him saying nothing would change at all in his opinion by which me meant nothing that would impact him personally. If it were to be applied it would probably make him cry because it would be inconvenient and that would be nice, i don't like him.
 
Along with many folk, when I rock up in Calais in me camper, I don't even know where I'm heading for (exactly) let alone have any proof of booking etc.

Utterly unworkable if they want to retain a touring industry.
I agree that there are going to be certain categories of people who may be excluded, but my understanding of the French regulations (eg here in English) is that, if you have an attestation d'acceuil etranger, you only have to provide proof that you have funds equivalent to 32.50 euros per day, with a hotel booking, it's 65 euros/day, and without either, it's 120 euros/day.

Proof needs to be by production of a bank statement, or a valid credit card, but I don't know the precise details.
 
i'm such an arsehole that i hope this rule does apply to my next door neighbour, who owns a house in the french alps where he does yoga holidays for paying guests from uk. Idk if he voted leave or not but remember him saying nothing would change at all in his opinion by which me meant nothing that would impact him personally. If it were to be applied it would probably make him cry because it would be inconvenient and that would be nice, i don't like him.
I don't think many on here like him either.
 
I agree that there are going to be certain categories of people who may be excluded, but my understanding of the French regulations (eg here in English) is that, if you have an attestation d'acceuil etranger, you only have to provide proof that you have funds equivalent to 32.50 euros per day, with a hotel booking, it's 65 euros/day, and without either, it's 120 euros/day.

Proof needs to be by production of a bank statement, or a valid credit card, but I don't know the precise details.
If stopped, I'll just say we're going to Belgium, then toodle on.... :D
 
No, you need to be really shifty, not give a plausible explanation as to why you are in France and offer no evidence of being able to support yourself. Then you can have your 15 minutes in the Guardian.
If they're seriously going to investigate means of support at entry, the queues at Calais will be phenomenal.
I mean, I could flash a credit card, but checking whether or not it's valid, blocked or what credit limit etc?
 
yeah, this will probably not be applied much if you're white and from uk etc. Maybe though, if Brits who own houses over there piss their french neighbours off enough it could be enforced just out of spite sometimes?
 
If they're seriously going to investigate means of support at entry, the queues at Calais will be phenomenal.
I mean, I could flash a credit card, but checking whether or not it's valid, blocked or what credit limit etc?
I'm guessing that it will probably all be a bit of a box-ticking exercise. But it is worth remembering that the French have inconveniencing people via bureaucracy down to a fine art, and if they decide that they're going to take 10 minutes processing every entry to the country, they damn well will :).

I mean, it's the work of a few moments to edit the image of a bank statement to add a couple of extra digits, and I imagine that there will be no simple way of them verifying that, either... :hmm:

But then, it's also worth remembering that French law has a tendency to ask you to swear on your honour that something is true (the Covid attestations, for example), but against the prospect of being hit with massive fines (or prison) if you turn out not to have been telling the truth.
 
Odd isn’t it. Of the 100’s of people I have sent so far this year they have all been sent back to the U.K. for not having this, yet I come on here to say it is not needed.

The sole person that I have had any issue with so far this year was a black French man at Eurostar at Gare du Nord where U.K. immigration told him he needed a form which does not exist and wouldn’t let him pass. We sent him to Charles de Gaulle where he boarded a flight with no issues. We have had no issues at all with people going the other way, many of whom stay in private accommodation.
Good to hear that but I assume you are dealing with business travellers?
 
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