A thank you to Brexiteers.

[existentialist]

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Here it comes

Two things. 1. you credit me with powers of leadership and persuasion far beyond my abilities. 2. When you successfully manage to individually piss off dozens of people in a community, it doesn't automatically make a pile-on, so save us the victim posturing

And that's my final word to you on this thread, too.

 

[The39thStep]

i don't plan to die of old age here in the UK, tbh. Not got any specific plans though.

Road accident or some sort of bizarre hunting tragedy?

 

[The39thStep]

This is not good & fucking up young people's education. I expect they should have applied for a visa but didn't realise.

Students eh?

 

[bimble]

This is good, on the news today that the government wants, now, to hire someone to help them figure out what the opportunities are that brexit has made.

Wanted by HMG: Someone to make sense of Brexit

17th May 2021 Some things are almost beyond parody. The government of the United Kingdom, almost five years after the Brexit referendum, wants help on identifying post-Brexit opportunities. The na…

davidallengreen.com

 

[ska invita]

On the moving to Spain thing, we've already had this conversation twice in recent years so not up for getting into back and forth again, but I am gutted that it looks unlikely I'll be able to move abroad as I had dreamed to one day.

Taking away freedom of movement is a class thing - the rich can still do it.

The UK is appalling on this too. I wouldn't have had the marriage I had since the pre-Brexit anti-immigrant rule changes about minimum incomes for spouses that got imposed a while back. Cameron IIRC. We wouldve been force sepearted, as has happened to many other couples.

My friends who moved to Spain did so on little money. Loads of UK travellers moved to Spain at one point, and have been living cheap in the hills ever since.

Freedom of Movement to settle within the EU was an amazing thing, and I'm disappointed not to be able to enjoy it.
But I understand the arguments that the liberty came at a cost - I understand these arguments because we've had them repeatedly on the boards for years now and I've heard them and acknowledged them. Still disappointed though. It remains an ambition of mine not to die in Lewisham hospital.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Schools are now asking the kids for their passports.

 

[Yossarian]

Wow - in the US its actually illegal for schools to ask about children's immigration status.

 

[ska invita]

Schools are now asking the kids for their passports.

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yeah 1st July is the day of reckoning. Current estimates are in the tens of thousands of people who are going to be status: deportable. asking for documentation for access to social services/accommodation/jobs will be rigour - it already is to an extent.
One of the reasons people have been campaigning for the 3 million+ who have been given some degree of temporary leave to remain to have some paperwork to show to prove it.

schools abc look good

 

[Dystopiary]

On the moving to Spain thing, we've already had this conversation twice in recent years so not up for getting into back and forth again, but I am gutted that it looks unlikely I'll be able to move abroad as I had dreamed to one day.

Taking away freedom of movement is a class thing - the rich can still do it.

The UK is appalling on this too. I wouldn't have had the marriage I had since the pre-Brexit anti-immigrant rule changes about minimum incomes for spouses that got imposed a while back. Cameron IIRC. We wouldve been force sepearted, as has happened to many other couples.

My friends who moved to Spain did so on little money. Loads of UK travellers moved to Spain at one point, and have been living cheap in the hills ever since.

Freedom of Movement to settle within the EU was an amazing thing, and I'm disappointed not to be able to enjoy it.
But I understand the arguments that the liberty came at a cost - I understand these arguments because we've had them repeatedly on the boards for years now and I've heard them and acknowledged them. Still disappointed though. It remains an ambition of mine not to die in Lewisham hospital

Yes, it's definitely a class thing. Obviously I haven't been here long enough to watch the arguments go round and round, but with a few tweaks re location (and marriage) this is my stance entirely.

 

[gosub]

What age school kids are they making the assumption of that they will have a passport?

 

[editor]

there's nothing 'Top' about you my faux furry fwiend

I can see that some posters are successfully winding you up to get a reaction, but if you don't stop this crap now you're going to be banned permanently with no chance of a reprieve.
You're off this thread for starters and if you keep on generating justified reported posts, you're time here is over.

 

[TopCat]

This is not good & fucking up young people's education. I expect they should have applied for a visa but didn't realise.

Travel was banned then no?

 

[MrSki]

Travel was banned then no?

I expect it was the 90 day rule. No travel was not banned then but holidays were.

 

[TopCat]

On the moving to Spain thing, we've already had this conversation twice in recent years so not up for getting into back and forth again, but I am gutted that it looks unlikely I'll be able to move abroad as I had dreamed to one day.

Taking away freedom of movement is a class thing - the rich can still do it.

The UK is appalling on this too. I wouldn't have had the marriage I had since the pre-Brexit anti-immigrant rule changes about minimum incomes for spouses that got imposed a while back. Cameron IIRC. We wouldve been force sepearted, as has happened to many other couples.

My friends who moved to Spain did so on little money. Loads of UK travellers moved to Spain at one point, and have been living cheap in the hills ever since.

Freedom of Movement to settle within the EU was an amazing thing, and I'm disappointed not to be able to enjoy it.
But I understand the arguments that the liberty came at a cost - I understand these arguments because we've had them repeatedly on the boards for years now and I've heard them and acknowledged them. Still disappointed though. It remains an ambition of mine not to die in Lewisham hospital.

Get a motorbike and ride it all year round.

 

[MrSki]

40 years a citizen with a UK passport.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I expect it was the 90 day rule. No travel was not banned then but holidays were.

That is sad for her but when she went back in January she would have got a stamp in her passport with the 90 days on it, surely at that point she should have twigged that she needs to do something, but apparently didn’t.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

40 years a citizen with a UK passport.

Yeah, Patel’s department has sent a shitload of these out, cos they are nasty cunts like their boss. Whilst annoying and nasty, it’s hardly world ending, a photo of your passport emailed to them is all it takes, about 2 minutes.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Yeah, Patel’s department has sent a shitload of these out, cos they are nasty cunts like their boss. Whilst annoying and nasty, it’s hardly world ending, a photo of your passport emailed to them is all it takes, about 2 minutes.

Just a quick email then. A bit annoying. 2 mins.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just a quick email then. A bit annoying. 2 mins.

Yeah.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Meanwhile, Michel Barnier, EU’s chief Brexit negotiator is making a run for president of France, his big idea is to ban all immigration in to the EU for up to five years, including family reunions.

 

[bimble]

Were they drunk when they signed the agreement on xmas eve and have only just got round to reading it?

Frost hopes EU will not ‘react’ if UK suspends Northern Ireland protocol

Brexit minister tells Commons’ select committee that Britain could act unilaterally over border checks

www.theguardian.com

 

[MrSki]

Were they drunk when they signed the agreement on xmas eve and have only just got round to reading it?

Frost hopes EU will not ‘react’ if UK suspends Northern Ireland protocol

Brexit minister tells Commons’ select committee that Britain could act unilaterally over border checks

www.theguardian.com

 

[prunus]

Were they drunk when they signed the agreement on xmas eve and have only just got round to reading it?

Frost hopes EU will not ‘react’ if UK suspends Northern Ireland protocol

Brexit minister tells Commons’ select committee that Britain could act unilaterally over border checks

www.theguardian.com

I think it was signed in bad faith - ie they knew it was not fit for purpose in many ways (although I am pretty sure it’s also turned out to be not fit for purpose in ways they hadn’t even noticed) but they knew the political fallout from not getting something signed before the end of the year would be damaging so they signed it anyway, intending to renege on/try to renegotiate/ignore bits they didn’t like down the line, like this.

It wasn’t about making brexit good, it was about making the brexit-makers look good.

 

[existentialist]

Just a quick email then. A bit annoying. 2 mins.

I can see how, looking at the whole thing purely calmly and rationally, that's easy to say. On the other hand, if you've spent 40 years building a life in a country, feeling like you belong, you've contributed to your new society, and built up a fair few assumptions around stability and security, then suddenly, out of the blue, to have the demand made of you that you prove your right to be here is going to be a bit of a shock.

It doesn't matter that it could be resolved with a 2 minute email - it shouldn't have happened in the first place, and is just another (OK, perhaps comparatively minor compared to people being flung in Yarl's Wood) way in which the Home Office is able to poison lives and create fear with, apparently, no second thoughts about the effects on those people. That, in my book, makes it pretty hard to justify.

 

[bimble]

I think it was signed in bad faith - ie they knew it was not fit for purpose in many ways (although I am pretty sure it’s also turned out to be not fit for purpose in ways they hadn’t even noticed) but they knew the political fallout from not getting something signed before the end of the year would be damaging so they signed it anyway, intending to renege on/try to renegotiate/ignore bits they didn’t like down the line, like this.

It wasn’t about making brexit good, it was about making the brexit-makers look good.

I think so too, but same time I believe him when he says that he really didn't expect the problems to be as bad as they are, the bombast & optimism inside their little world of true believers was to a large extent probably real not just pretend.

Government Didn't Expect Brexit To Be So Disruptive For Northern Ireland, David Frost Admits

The government underestimated the impact Brexit and the Northern Ireland Protocol would have on businesses trying to send goods across the Irish Se...

www.politicshome.com

 

[Artaxerxes]

Were they drunk when they signed the agreement on xmas eve and have only just got round to reading it?

Frost hopes EU will not ‘react’ if UK suspends Northern Ireland protocol

Brexit minister tells Commons’ select committee that Britain could act unilaterally over border checks

www.theguardian.com

Yes, the absolutely obsessed with paperwork supra-state won't notice if the paperwork isn't done.

What a shower of twats.

 

[brogdale]

This is quite something, even by Tory standards....

 

[MickiQ]

On the moving to Spain thing, we've already had this conversation twice in recent years so not up for getting into back and forth again, but I am gutted that it looks unlikely I'll be able to move abroad as I had dreamed to one day.

Taking away freedom of movement is a class thing - the rich can still do it.

The UK is appalling on this too. I wouldn't have had the marriage I had since the pre-Brexit anti-immigrant rule changes about minimum incomes for spouses that got imposed a while back. Cameron IIRC. We wouldve been force sepearted, as has happened to many other couples.

My friends who moved to Spain did so on little money. Loads of UK travellers moved to Spain at one point, and have been living cheap in the hills ever since.

Freedom of Movement to settle within the EU was an amazing thing, and I'm disappointed not to be able to enjoy it.
But I understand the arguments that the liberty came at a cost - I understand these arguments because we've had them repeatedly on the boards for years now and I've heard them and acknowledged them. Still disappointed though. It remains an ambition of mine not to die in Lewisham hospital.

What liberties do you think we have gained (or have yet to gain) by the UK leaving the EU?

 

[bimble]

I don't get why they won't just agree to align with EU standards just even temporarily, to solve this whole NI thing. "Because that would be bad for us trying to make new trade deals" doesn't seem that compelling tbh.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I can see how, looking at the whole thing purely calmly and rationally, that's easy to say. On the other hand, if you've spent 40 years building a life in a country, feeling like you belong, you've contributed to your new society, and built up a fair few assumptions around stability and security, then suddenly, out of the blue, to have the demand made of you that you prove your right to be here is going to be a bit of a shock.

It doesn't matter that it could be resolved with a 2 minute email - it shouldn't have happened in the first place, and is just another (OK, perhaps comparatively minor compared to people being flung in Yarl's Wood) way in which the Home Office is able to poison lives and create fear with, apparently, no second thoughts about the effects on those people. That, in my book, makes it pretty hard to justify.

It is despicable and indicative of the cunt who runs the show at that department, but it's hardly Brexit, just the same shitty, racist behaviour that lead to Windrush.