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A thank you to Brexiteers.

spitfire said:
What a racist cunt. Not even hiding it.

"When British citizens – many of whom are struggling to pay their own bills – see young men from different cultures hanging around in their towns and villages, they feel an understandable sense of confusion and anger at the lack of control shown by the state. The state’s first duty is to protect its own people, a principle that seems to have been shredded without discussion. "

But yeah, this should do for the tories good and proper. Forward to a socialist paradise with Kieth Stärmer.
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The ludicrous thing is that we know the likes of Tice, Farage, Banks - the other "Gobshites of Brexit" - would be to the fore in exploiting immigrants & immigration if they ever achieved power. They're no different than Labour or the Tories in that regard. They'll do anything to feed the capitalist beast.
 
So after the vote for the whole of the UK to leave the EU and have two different systems either side of a border when are the leave voters going to establish what they voted for?
So far the leave voting morons have established nothing beyond absolute damaging crap.
As far as I can tell every person who voted leave are allies of Farage and the rest of them. Lexiters are shameless in their retrofit justification, but as things stand Lexiters and Farage, and Rees Mogg, and all the others are people with the same vile outlook.
 
The39thStep said:
You'll find that sentiment in just about every EU state as well tbh
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The difference being that in many of those states, & even in the benighted US of A, there are methods in place whereby odious politicians can be threatened with removal (recall) at any time during their tenure if they wander too far from what a majority of their constituents want. Here, we're utterly fucking kebabed in that regard.
 
The39thStep said:
Has anyone ever had a phone call from someone who just talks and talks, probably for the fun of it, and you've put the phone down walked into the kitchen, made a cup of tea and a sandwich, picked the phone up again and they are still in full flow oblivious?
Edit . Sorry wrong thread
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I watch my mate Ren do this at least twice a week when his mum phones. She lets fly with "stream of consciousness" rants that last at least 45 minutes, sometimes double that. He's made us both tea & a cheese toastie then returned, picked up the phone & started speaking again. Amazing!
 
bimble said:
i really don't get 'i feel more recognised as English'.
Where is this joyous experience happening is it at airports or just day to day as you go about your English life in England.
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"English" is bollocks. I get why my Slovakian friend feels Hungarian - she's ethnic Hungarian & spent the first 20 years of her life being treated as a 2nd class Slovak because of it. The English though, they've not really faced systemic & systematic oppression as a nationality since the 11th century. I don't feel "English". I'm a Briton, & so are my mates whose parents came from African nations, from Hong Kong, from the Indian subcontinent, from the Caribbean etc. Even the Jocks, the Taffs & King Billy's favourite sons are Britons.
 
brogdale said:
Here you go Leavists; fill yer boots with the wealthy, remainiac angst

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There is no EU and Swiss line at GVA. There is arrivals from Schengen Zone (no inspection for any nationality), arrivals for EU and several other non-EU nationalities, (Swiss, Icelandic, Norwegian, San Marino, Holy See etc.) from outside the Schengen Zone, and a rest of the world lane. The sole reason that the U.K. isn’t added to the list of non-EU nationalities is a political decision. Some EU countries are a bit more grown up about these things (Portugal), regional airports all over the EU also don’t give a toss.

The U.K. isn’t so petty as to take part in these childish games, EU and a shed—load more can use the same lane as U.K. passports. And due to nearly 13 years of Tory rule every cunt must have a long wait…
 
philosophical said:
So after the vote for the whole of the UK to leave the EU and have two different systems either side of a border when are the leave voters going to establish what they voted for?
So far the leave voting morons have established nothing beyond absolute damaging crap.
As far as I can tell every person who voted leave are allies of Farage and the rest of them. Lexiters are shameless in their retrofit justification, but as things stand Lexiters and Farage, and Rees Mogg, and all the others are people with the same vile outlook.
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Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year btw
 
As I basically heard someone say the other day - Brexit hasn't helped but it didn't create the awful problems that were already there when we were in the EU - the crises involving housing, the NHS, the 'education' system, inflation, our dying infrastucture and the rotten, crumbling political institutions and incompetance of those in power. The current situation would've happened with or without brexit. Its just one of the things, along with the pandemic, thats sped things up. Its time to drop all this brexit/remain shit along with all of the political parties and top-down politics in general and create/build up a genuine alternative of our own..
 
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AmateurAgitator said:
As I basically heard someone say the other day - Brexit hasn't helped but it didn't create the awful problems that were already there when we were in the EU - the crises involving housing, the NHS, the 'education' system, inflation, our dying infrastucture and the rotten, crumbling political institutions and incompetance of those in power. The current situation would've happened with or without brexit. Its just one of the things, along with the pandemic, thats sped things up. Its time to drop all this brexit/remain shit along with all of the political parties and top-down politics in general and create/build up a genuine alternative of our own..
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That's a fair take, but i've tended to look at it from the other way round. We got Brexit because of all of those crises resulting from the neoliberal consolidator state. I'm still convinced that many of the boomer/silent generations, (for want of better descriptors), were convinced that "change" was needed because they genuinely remembered the better times of the social contract.
 
AmateurAgitator said:
As I basically heard someone say the other day - Brexit hasn't helped but it didn't create the awful problems that were already there when we were in the EU - the crises involving housing, the NHS, the 'education' system, inflation, our dying infrastucture and the rotten, crumbling political institutions and incompetance of those in power. The current situation would've happened with or without brexit. Its just one of the things, along with the pandemic, thats sped things up. Its time to drop all this brexit/remain shit along with all of the political parties and top-down politics in general and create/build up a genuine alternative of our own..
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Go on then.
Start with solving the land border issue in light of the Belfast Agreement.
 
AmateurAgitator said:
You're completely missing the point - and is what I said about the problems we already had while we were in the EU not true?
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I am completely on point. If you vote to leave somewhere you create a border. In this case a land border in Ireland.
The UK was front and centre of the EU, so any problems were UK problems
 
philosophical said:
I am completely on point. If you vote to leave somewhere you create a border. In this case a land border in Ireland.
The UK was front and centre of the EU, so any problems were UK problems
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I did say that brexit hadn't helped things. Is it not true that we already had the crises involving housing, the NHS, the 'education' system, inflation, our dying infrastucture and the rotten, crumbling political institutions and the incompetance of those in power when we were in the EU? Or was everything absolutely fine?
 
AmateurAgitator said:
I agree with this. Are you referring to Callaghan's social contract?
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Not specifically; more the post-war "consensus" when fear of really existing system competition gave capital enough fear to concede the concessions associated with Beveridge and the pillars of the welfare state.
 
AmateurAgitator said:
I did say that brexit hadn't helped things. Is it not true that we already had the crises involving housing, the NHS, the 'education' system, inflation, our dying infrastucture and the rotten, crumbling political institutions and the incompetance of those in power when we were in the EU? Or was everything absolutely fine?
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Yes I agree many areas of life were crap before the leave victory in 2016. But it is not about leave failing to help things, it is about the leave victory making things worse.
You mention building up a credible alternative of 'our' own.
I am assuming that by 'our' you mean the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so if it is time to 'drop all this brexit/remain shit', perhaps, for the sake of 'credibility' you can suggest a solution to the land border between 'us' and the EU that honours the Belfast Agreement.
Or do you favour a 'take no notice and hope it all goes away' solution?
 
philosophical said:
Yes I agree many areas of life were crap before the leave victory in 2016. But it is not about leave failing to help things, it is about the leave victory making things worse.
You mention building up a credible alternative of 'our' own.
I am assuming that by 'our' you mean the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so if it is time to 'drop all this brexit/remain shit', perhaps, for the sake of 'credibility' you can suggest a solution to the land border between 'us' and the EU that honours the Belfast Agreement.
Or do you favour a 'take no notice and hope it all goes away' solution?
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Well I doubt I have all the answers all by myself, but how about trying to unify across borders and aiming to dissolve nation states? Worth a try surely. I think that ultimately thats what we need to work towards as working class people.
 
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