A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Karl Masks]

Brexit is a fucking shit show what ever way you look at it.

Was never going to be anything else. one look at who advocated and campaigned for it should have been enough to send genuine radicals running for the hills. Instead they stood on a platform with fascists that lied to them.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Yes, I used different words to convey the same point: lexiteers thought leaving would be beneficial in all the ways that matter. So, I assume, they voted to politically empower themselves.

Different words mean different things; as a result your posts mean different things. This is true whatever your intention.

It also does nothing to address the two gaping holes in your first offering; the first of which concerns the difference between would and could, while the second I'll leave you and all other remoaners to work out.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[philosophical]

And has been said dozens of times already. Why should the majority of the UK public be prohibited from exercising their right to leave a trading block because of the situation in NI. This is a situation the politicians should have made provisions for. Blaming voters for the mess is entirely wrongheaded and counter productive.

That isn't to say individuals may have had reasons for voting either way that we might argue with but the onus for this sorry state of affairs has always been down to the politicians and those behind the mendatious campaigning.

One provision the politicians made with regard to Northern Ireland was the Belfast Agreement.

 

[Karl Masks]

Different words mean different things; as a result your posts mean different things. This is true whatever your intention.

It also does nothing to address the two gaping holes in your first offering; the first of which concerns the difference between would and could, while the second I'll leave you and all other removers to work out.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Again: lexiteers voted because they thought leaving would be beneficial. Agree?

 

[Serge Forward]

lexiteers presumably voted because they thought it would embolden them politically

And the "anarcho fantasy" bit?

 

[Pickman's model]

Was never going to be anything else. one look at who advocated and campaigned for it should have been enough to send genuine radicals running for the hills. Instead they stood on a platform with fascists that lied to them.

Unlike the racists on the remain side who were utterly truthful I suppose

 

[xenon]

One provision the politicians made with regard to Northern Ireland was the Belfast Agreement.

Yes but since then. Cameron et al should have probably made plane some possible resolutions to the situation in NI before the referendam. Again, the responsibility is on those with the power to have done something about it. Telling the UK populas at large they must forever be tied to the EU because of the Good Friday agreement is profoundly undemocratic.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Was never going to be anything else. one look at who advocated and campaigned for it should have been enough to send genuine radicals running for the hills. Instead they stood on a platform with fascists that lied to them.

Yeah nothing says 'radical' more than being in the E fucking U

 

[philosophical]

Yes but since then. Cameron et al should have probably made plane some possible resolutions to the situation in NI before the referendam. Again, the responsibility is on those with the power to have done something about it. Telling the UK populas at large they must forever be tied to the EU because of the Good Friday agreement is profoundly undemocratic.

I disagree. The GFA was fashioned by democratically elected politicians, and cemented by a referendum, what is profoundly undemocratic about that?
Those in power made the agreement, one main driver was to stop the bloodshed of the troubles, it was a tough achievement.
What possible resolutions do you think could have been set out before the 2016 referendum?

 

[xenon]

I disagree. The GFA was fashioned by democratically elected politicians, and cemented by a referendum, what is profoundly undemocratic about that?
Those in power made the agreement, one main driver was to stop the bloodshed of the troubles, it was a tough achievement.
What possible resolutions do you think could have been set out before the 2016 referendum?

I'm saying telling the UK populus they are bound forever more to be part of the EU because of the GFA is profoundly undemocratic.

for 1. What they could have done is say we're staying in the customs union. I'm not going to do the govt's work for them and come up with other solutions for a problem I had no hand in creating just for the sake of discussion.

 

[Pickman's model]

I disagree. The GFA was fashioned by democratically elected politicians, and cemented by a referendum, what is profoundly undemocratic about that?
Those in power made the agreement, one main driver was to stop the bloodshed of the troubles, it was a tough achievement.
What possible resolutions do you think could have been set out before the 2016 referendum?

Whoa there. There were two referenda, the one on the gfa, the other on getting rid of articles 2 & 3 from the Irish constitution. And yeh it is profoundly undemocratic because of this. No one in the southern state voted on the gfa. Tbh I don't suppose anyone in the six counties voted for what's happened in the last 24 years

 

[inva]

Was never going to be anything else. one look at who advocated and campaigned for it should have been enough to send genuine radicals running for the hills. Instead they stood on a platform with fascists that lied to them.

As I remember it Lexit was a campaign to leave the EU under a left wing government, so basically you were supporting Lexit when you were shouting at all the 'anarchists' to vote Labour in 2017

 

[philosophical]

Whoa there. There were two referenda, the one on the gfa, the other on getting rid of articles 2 & 3 from the Irish constitution. And yeh it is profoundly undemocratic because of this. No one in the southern state voted on the gfa. Tbh I don't suppose anyone in the six counties voted for what's happened in the last 24 years

Yes there were two referenda. I have been clumsy in trying to streamline my point. I don’t see things so much in strata of referenda, as in the chronology.
When the 2016 referendum happened, the GFA was already in place wasn’t it? The GFA impacts the UK population if Northern Ireland is regarded as being in the UK.
Do you think politicians ought to have outlined some scenarios with regard to the Irish border as a plan a,b,c and so on to the UK population, taking into account the GFA, before the 2016 referendum? It didn’t happen, so voters were left to deal with the situation we had, not some fantasy ‘it’ll be all right on the night’ notion.

 

[Karl Masks]

As I remember it Lexit was a campaign to leave the EU under a left wing government, so basically you were supporting Lexit when you were shouting at all the 'anarchists' to vote Labour in 2017

What left wing government?

 

[Karl Masks]

And the "anarcho fantasy" bit?

the idea that leaving the EU would somehow collapse it, or that a brexit government would ever nationalise anything

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Again: lexiteers voted because they thought leaving would be beneficial. Agree?

You're still not getting the difference between could and would, let alone having the self awareness to step away from claims of knowing what's in everybody else's (or at least all 'lexiteers') heads.

I hope it's helping you because it's doing very little for the discussion of brexit and its aftermath.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[inva]

What left wing government?

Labour under Corbyn was presumably the idea at the time, who would then have been in charge of the withdrawal.

 

[two sheds]

I'd have voted for that - but couldn't bring myself to vote for brexit under a tory government

 

[inva]

I'd have voted for that - but couldn't bring myself to vote for brexit under a tory government

If it hadn't of been for remainer sabotage in 2019 we'd be living in a lexit wonderland right now

 

[Karl Masks]

If it hadn't of been for remainer sabotage in 2019 we'd be living in a lexit wonderland right now

Actual footage of Lexit Wonderland

 

[Karl Masks]

You're still not getting the difference between could and would, let alone having the self awareness to step away from claims of knowing what's in everybody else's (or at least all 'lexiteers') heads.

I hope it's helping you because it's doing very little for the discussion of brexit and its aftermath.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I don't know about you, but I'm still waiting to hear from the brexit voters hereabouts what the benefits are?

Do you know of any?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Glorious lexit is coming, any day now... any day...

You’ll take your Starmer and like it

 

[Pickman's model]

the idea that leaving the EU would somehow collapse it, or that a brexit government would ever nationalise anything

The eu will collapse and a brexit government took lner back into public ownership

 

[Serge Forward]

the idea that leaving the EU would somehow collapse it, or that a brexit government would ever nationalise anything

And what has that to do with "anarcho" anything? Your words make no sense.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Not quite, the piece you refer to is a record of one person's opinion of facts and circumstances that lead him to believe there was Russian Interference, he may be correct

Have you actually read the link?. It’s a woman.

 

[Pickman's model]

And what has that to do with "anarcho" anything? Your words make no sense.

it's the only thing that makes him halfway tolerable

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Say what you like about Smokeandsteam but he's not an anarchist.

I do have a sneaking regard for libertarian communists though....

 

[The39thStep]

I do have a sneaking regard for libertarian communists though....

Coming to terms with late onset of libertarian socialism

 

[brogdale]

Coming to terms with late onset of libertarian socialism

ouch

 

[_Russ_]

Have you actually read the link?. It’s a woman.

Yes I read it and despite my little gender mix up (which affects nothing in the post and is more like the sort of impotent criticism I would expect from that Pickman twat) I actually understood it, instead of pretending it was something it isnt.