A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

still never called you a racist


feel free to fuck off to

Too, unless you want me to fuck off to somewhere. Either way another fine demonstration of your ignorance.

 

[Ax^]

the cta is due to the landborder and family ties

and of course the republic should just leave if we don't like it

feel free to carry on

 

[The39thStep]

It's border not boarder, isn't it?

 

[inva]

So, going as you hoped, then?

We've left the EU which was what I wanted, it's not like I imagined I would have any control over the withdrawal agreement or something. I know you chest prodding liberals seem to think leave voters as a whole should feel responsible for the results of successive general elections since the referendum but I can't say I do.

 

[existentialist]

you chest prodding liberals

 

[brogdale]

We've left the EU which was what I wanted, it's not like I imagined I would have any control over the withdrawal agreement or something. I know you chest prodding liberals seem to think leave voters as a whole should feel responsible for the results of successive general elections since the referendum but I can't say I do.

OK, but that comes across as a tad defensive tbh. I asked if leaving the EU was going as you hoped; as someone who didn't feel inclined to engage with the tory referendum I'm always interested in the views of those who did. Presumably you voted Leave knowing that you wouldn't be able to control subsequent election results?

 

[inva]

OK, but that comes across as a tad defensive tbh. I asked if leaving the EU was going as you hoped; as someone who didn't feel inclined to engage with the tory referendum I'm always interested in the views of those who did. Presumably you voted Leave knowing that you wouldn't be able to control subsequent election results?

Oh come on 'it was a genuine question!'
Yes obviously I voted leave knowing I couldn't control subsequent elections what kind of a question is that?

 

[brogdale]

Oh come on 'it was a genuine question!'
Yes obviously I voted leave knowing I couldn't control subsequent elections what kind of a question is that?

s'OK if you don't have a view.

 

[philosophical]

I voted leave but wasn't a lexiter so I reckon I'm alright then thank goodness!

What solution did you have in mind for the open land border between the EU and the UK when you voted leave?
It would be great if you could tell us, because after more than six years no other bugger has one.

 

[inva]

s'OK if you don't have a view.

A view on what? Or are you still asking if it's going as I hoped? My motivation was anti-EU rather than for some particular vision of the UK, do I support policies enacted by the Conservative governments that have followed? No, and I doubt I'd have a much better opinion of any likely Labour government that might have happened either.

 

[brogdale]

A view on what? Or are you still asking if it's going as I hoped? My motivation was anti-EU rather than for some particular vision of the UK, do I support policies enacted by the Conservative governments that have followed? No, and I doubt I'd have a much better opinion of any likely Labour government that might have happened either.

Fair enough.

 

[inva]

What solution did you have in mind for the open land border between the EU and the UK when you voted leave?
It would be great if you could tell us, because after more than six years no other bugger has one.

I'm glad you've asked because I think we can clear this one up once and for all. I had no solution in mind for the land border between the EU and the UK when I voted leave, in fact I didn't give it a second's thought. And before you ask I haven't thought about it since either.

 

[philosophical]

I was born in 1953.
My mother Irish, and I have one brother living in County Clare.
Not unique though.
However my lived experience up until what was a great relief of the internationally agreed and ratified Belfast Agreement (the Good Friday Agreement to some), was frankly hugely coloured by the terrorism of the modern troubles. When I was a student in the early seventies I went out with somebody from Halesowen who knew victims of the Birmingham Pub Bombings, routine searches for people were common, people with Irish connections were vilified, there were miscarriages of justice all over. I was stunned by bloody Sunday, I was with my future partner in the City of London in the early 90's when a massive bomb exploded, visits to Ireland had the spectre of the troubles in the air constantly...there is much more but the summation is that it all was very hard to ignore, and it was a worry and it was stressful.
For me that was part of my lived reality, and I repeat the relative peace and relief from all that brought about by the GFA was significant.
Now I don't know about the age and the lived experience of posters here, and if they wish to wave away the 'Irish Question' then that is where they place themselves, but in regard to the vote to leave, and my constant question about leave in relation to the UK/EU land border many posters here find a lot of ways to mock me for mentioning it.
It is easier to attack me than to confront the reality of the implication of the vote to leave on the land border, there is extra incentive to have a go at me if you voted for leave, there is extra extra incentive to mock if you didn't give the land border circumstances a second thought when voting.
Well I am sorry but the issue isn't going away, indeed we now have Truss weighing in saying she wants to dismantle the unsatisfactory 'protocol' and saying Sinn Fein wants to drive a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain, churning the potential for trouble further.
The vote for the UK to leave the EU has ongoing unresolved matters, and lurking is the division in Ireland that has cost thousands of lives. On this thread there are posters who in my view actually relish the risk of further troubles judging by some of their comments. Maybe they are too young to realise what voting leave is inexorably ushering in, but leave voters have caused it and they should fix it, a better use of their energy than attacking me for constantly mentioning it.

 

[philosophical]

I'm glad you've asked because I think we can clear this one up once and for all. I had no solution in mind for the land border between the EU and the UK when I voted leave, in fact I didn't give it a second's thought. And before you ask I haven't thought about it since either.

Maybe you haven't thought about it yet because what you voted for hasn't happened.

 

[two sheds]

It's not your view that attracts ridicule from what I've seen. It's the constant blaming of people who voted leave when in reality it's Johnson and the tory party who are to blame - they're the ones who've made the decisions.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It's not your view that attracts ridicule from what I've seen. It's the constant blaming of people who voted leave when in reality it's Johnson and the tory party who are to blame - they're the ones who've made the decisions.

Check the fool's opening gambit on this thread, it's been downhill from there.

 

[The39thStep]

It's not your view that attracts ridicule from what I've seen. It's the constant blaming of people who voted leave when in reality it's Johnson and the tory party who are to blame - they're the ones who've made the decisions.

Far too sensible thing to say for this thread

 

[two sheds]

It would be similar to people demanding in every post that philosophical should solve the problems of the EU because he voted to remain.

 

[Ax^]

Check the fool's opening gambit on this thread, it's been downhill from there.

Nonsense, Ireland made a choice to stay in the Common Travel Area rather than Schengen long before the spectre of Brexit reared it's head. That choice was made as it was considered beneficial to the people of ROI to do so, it is still considered beneficial to continue along those lines. Ireland can leave the Common Travel Area any time it chooses.

 

[philosophical]

It's not your view that attracts ridicule from what I've seen. It's the constant blaming of people who voted leave when in reality it's Johnson and the tory party who are to blame - they're the ones who've made the decisions.

I disagree. Those who voted leave are responsible. That was a decision.

 

[Ax^]

Far too sensible thing to say for this thread

oddly enough, our man in Portugal


is not that interested

 

[Pickman's model]

It would be similar to people demanding in every post that philosophical should solve the problems of the EU because he voted to remain.

I wouldn't wish that on the eu

 

[Pickman's model]

British, for whatever that is worth.

Not a lot

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Not a lot

Perhaps if the silly rabbit wasn’t resident in the British Isles the average IQ of these putrid islands would raise enough to make it worth more. A cross we all have to bear.

 

[Ax^]

is my intelligence in question because I'm Irish,
or are you just a shite orator

 

[gosub]

Oh come on 'it was a genuine question!'
Yes obviously I voted leave knowing I couldn't control subsequent elections what kind of a question is that?

An odd one. Does that mean in a parallel universe where remain won, all subsequent elections would be some how rigged?

 

[gosub]

It's not your view that attracts ridicule from what I've seen. It's the constant blaming of people who voted leave when in reality it's Johnson and the tory party who are to blame - they're the ones who've made the decisions.

You can't leave "I've done my best" May out of all this. I mean you can blame Johnson for a fair bit wtf was she on?

 

[Maltin]

I'm glad you've asked because I think we can clear this one up once and for all. I had no solution in mind for the land border between the EU and the UK when I voted leave, in fact I didn't give it a second's thought. And before you ask I haven't thought about it since either.

This probably sums up why we shouldn’t have referendums on complex matters.

 

[Serge Forward]

I've forgotten, so can anyone remember, which minister it was who, when asked by some EU big shot, what the UK intended to do about its land border with the EU said "What land border?"

 

[Raheem]

I've forgotten, so can anyone remember, which minister it was who, when asked by some EU big shot, what the UK intended to do about its land border with the EU said "What land border?"

David Davis, supposedly. Doubt it's a true story, though.