A thank you to Brexiteers.

[ska invita]

Yeah, despite all the distractionary guff, it looks like Johnson told Frost they were totally caving-in to the suprastate and he flounced.

for clarity "caving in" means agreeing again to the border they already agreed to.
if that border is agreed to and implemented - as in actually building some customs infastructure that the TOries have so far stalled on for the most part - then the whole saga rolls on courtesy of the Unionists
...and round we go again, but faster

 

[ska invita]

i think this thread has died

was a temporary government-led pause for xmas - this topic has a looooooooooooooooooooong way to go yet

 

[gosub]

What are things that made it inevitable then ?

The election of Juncker despirt UK protests and the veto that wasn't veto would do it. Beyond that you had the the growth of UKIP to be the UK largest party in Brussels over the years and a general cowardice of successive UK governments to actually engage with the British electorate over what it was invloved in.

Not that there weren't pluses to being in the EU and in Juncker was a pretty stand up guy tbf.
But we are out.

 

[bimble]

The election of Juncker despirt UK protests and the veto that wasn't veto would do it. Beyond that you had the the growth of UKIP to be the UK largest party in Brussels over the years and a general cowardice of successive UK governments to actually engage with the British electorate over what it was invloved in.

Not that there weren't pluses to being in the EU and in Juncker was a pretty stand up guy tbf.
But we are out.

Oh aye but then you might as well say ‘history will show I had no choice’ but to trip over and land in a vat of shit because the shit was there & there was a sign hung up by some bastards saying walk this way.

 

[ska invita]

of course it wasn't inevitable

 

[philosophical]

Who’d have thought the action of leaving would lead to problems with the land border in Ireland?
Certainly not the moronic posing bastard cunts purporting to be of the left who voted leave, and now retrospectively justify their vote.
There is also a notion from more general leave voters who don’t purport to be of the left that ramping up trouble in Ireland is the lesser of two evils when remaining meant burgundy passports.
It is so funny that there is the lament that Brexit is done, and somehow the country needs to come together. It isn’t done, and somebody with my outlook would never exist in harmony with Farage and his ilk.
The division goes on forever, to paraphrase: ‘no surrender, no surrender, no surrender to the Brexit cunts’. The worse things are post Brexit the more it demonstrates the folly of voting leave.
As for a democratic deficit, it already exists because the ‘leave’ that was voted for excludes Northern Ireland.

 

[philosophical]

The election of Juncker despirt UK protests and the veto that wasn't veto would do it. Beyond that you had the the growth of UKIP to be the UK largest party in Brussels over the years and a general cowardice of successive UK governments to actually engage with the British electorate over what it was invloved in.

Not that there weren't pluses to being in the EU and in Juncker was a pretty stand up guy tbf.
But we are out.

Does that ‘we’ include the whole of the UK equally?
‘We’ are not out as an entire country.

 

[gosub]

Does that ‘we’ include the whole of the UK equally?
‘We’ are not out as an entire country.

Not sure I know my Irish born wife now ex voted the other way to me in the Scottish independence referendum

 

[not a trot]

Truss to replace Frost according to BBC. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[two sheds]

European pork markets are ours

 

[Badgers]

 

[gosub]

Out of interest any one how many negotiatiors the EU side hav got through since this all started?

 

[Smangus]

Well that's sorted , a complete capitulation to the EU in the offing now.

 

[gosub]

Well that's sorted , a complete capitulation to the EU in the offing now.

Can't really see how it canbe anything else. Though I'm sure they will try and polish it

 

[bimble]

Liz Truss. So she’s in charge of brexit, runs the foreign office & international aid and is also minister for women & equalities. Three jobs. Such talent. Is it 3 salaries ? Joke country.

 

[rubbershoes]

Well that's sorted , a complete capitulation to the EU in the offing now.

Some may call it capitulation but others could say that the EU knew what they wanted whereas what the Brexiteers wanted was never achievable as it was only an ideology

 

[bimble]

Well that's sorted , a complete capitulation to the EU in the offing now.

oh no what do think has gone wrong ? How come we haven't managed to get a brilliant brexit - will it be Liz Truss's fault now?


thought this was spot on btw:

 

[brogdale]

Truss to replace Frost according to BBC. What could possibly go wrong.

Johnson clearly regards her as a real threat if he's giving that poisoned chalice that he can spike even further.

 

[philosophical]

Well that's sorted , a complete capitulation to the EU in the offing now.

Why would it be described as a capitulation if what happens is what the UK agreed in negotiation?

 

[existentialist]

Liz Truss. So she’s in charge of brexit, runs the foreign office & international aid and is also minister for women & equalities. Three jobs. Such talent. Is it 3 salaries ? Joke country.

TBF, and amazing as it might seem, they are running out of useful idiots...

 

[bimble]

TBF, and amazing as it might seem, they are running out of useful idiots...

I think we are beyond that, there’s nobody in charge using these idiots. It’s idiots all the way up, just a vacuum.

 

[gosub]

Why would it be described as a capitulation if what happens is what the UK agreed in negotiation?

Coz negotiations are cinntiuning, and usually a lot of dancing around before some hardcore negotiation at the end. And we are putting on a sub

 

[bimble]

Coz negotiations are cinntiuning, and usually a lot of dancing around before some hardcore negotiation at the end. And we are putting on a sub

Lol. Why do you think the great striker walked off the pitch.

 

[gosub]

Lol. Why do you think the great striker walked off the pitch.

Your words not mine. But its been every time a coconut. SHortly before every serious cut and thrust UK has switched out whoever is most on top of the breif.

 

[bimble]

Your words not mine. But its been every time a coconut. SHortly before every serious cut and thrust UK has switched out whoever is most on top of the breif.

Eh? I don’t know what you’re saying you suspect Sabotage ? By who ffs. Bizarre.

 

[brogdale]

Oh, come on...it's...

 

[gosub]

Eh? I don’t know what you’re saying you suspect Sabotage ? By who ffs. Bizarre.

No incompetence and not wanting to get saddled with it suppose.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Well that's sorted , a complete capitulation to the EU in the offing now.

uWu is having to trade with your neighbours a hardship after pissing in their sink?

 

[Smangus]

Why would it be described as a capitulation if what happens is what the UK agreed in negotiation?

I'm being ironic FYI (an anyone elses)

An oblique reference to the fantastic Oz trade deal wot she wrote

 

[The39thStep]

Never knew Truss was an ex Lib Dem