A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Ax^]

No problem there. I'll just grow my own.

think you missed the season quite sure you need to plant you Asda seeds in late spring/early summer

 

[bimble]

Looks like pet food will be full of pork soon, as the farmers have started disposing of their pigs, which we won't get to eat, but my cat probably will. Meanwhile 'there will be shortages of ham and pigs in blanket at xmas'.

Hundreds of healthy pigs slaughtered amid UK shortage of abattoir workers

Farmers warned that up to 120,000 animals face being slaughtered as they lack space to house them

www.theguardian.com

UK faces Christmas without pigs in blankets amid labor shortage

The British Meat Processors Association says supplies of ‘pigs in blankets, decorated gammon and party food’ will struggle without action.

www.politico.eu

What a stupid country.

 

[Pickman's model]

Looks like pet food will be full of pork soon, as the farmers have started disposing of their pigs, which we won't get to eat, but my cat probably will. Meanwhile 'there will be shortages of ham and pigs in blanket at xmas'.

Hundreds of healthy pigs slaughtered amid UK shortage of abattoir workers

Farmers warned that up to 120,000 animals face being slaughtered as they lack space to house them

www.theguardian.com

UK faces Christmas without pigs in blankets amid labor shortage

The British Meat Processors Association says supplies of ‘pigs in blankets, decorated gammon and party food’ will struggle without action.

www.politico.eu

What a stupid country.

you mistake the government for the country

 

[The39thStep]

I have tried to do a little bit of research on the Portuguese Communist Party. I can’t find information as to how nationalist they are, or how/if they promote nationalism.
There seems to be some kind of notion that they are ‘patriotic’, but nothing about what that means or how it manifests itself.
My take on patriotism is that those in power expect you to suffer and die for them because the powerful declare it as your duty.
Indeed there is the saying ‘my country right or wrong’, and exhortations about loyalty are used to manipulate.
Loving a specific culture, or aspects of culture is not nationalism or patriotism the way I see it. Indeed the enrichment of our language and our society by being open to difference is one of the positive things about living in London for me.
In terms of Ireland I would fully support resisting the constraints of the powerful in that land, but not because of some kind of romanticised patriotism, but because oppression has to be resisted.
If that oppression is based on race, which it has alway been when the mainland UK regards Ireland, then I can see how a kind of nationalism is invoked by that race as a kind of flag of resistance, but for me I agree with the quote helpfully posted above by Serge Forward.

Briefly as I’m in a pub and low battery . The PCP believe that the democratic institutions and constitution of Portugal , which came into being after the revolution in which they played a prominent role , are the vehicle for for national change not the EU. Their patriotism is based on the defence of those reforms that were won by the Portuguese working classes. So they’ll criticise the other parties for not acting in the national interest .

 

[philosophical]

Briefly as I’m in a pub and low battery . The PCP believe that the democratic institutions and constitution of Portugal , which came into being after the revolution in which they played a prominent role , are the vehicle for for national change not the EU. Their patriotism is based on the defence of those reforms that were won by the Portuguese working classes. So they’ll criticise the other parties for not acting in the national interest .

Thank you.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

you mistake the government for the country

Och well It's a step down from yesterday when 8ball had us all up in the EU's shit writing the maastricht treaty.

 

[Ax^]

god damn it wrong thread

 

[TopCat]

Brexit fishing power play – The EU could cut Jersey and Britain’s electricity supply over the UK’s failure to provide sufficient fishing licences to the French, says France’s EU affairs minister, Clément Beaune. “Enough already, we have an agreement negotiated by France, by Michel Barnier, and it should be applied 100%. It isn’t being. In the next few days … we will take measures at the European level or nationally to apply pressure on the United Kingdom.” The UK partly relies on electricity from France. Under the post-Brexit agreement struck on Christmas Eve, the EU can take measures “proportionate to the alleged failure by the respondent party”. That could be extended to the energy supply to the rest of the UK, but would need to be proportional and agreed to by other member states.

 

[TopCat]

Cutting their energy supplies would really be seen as spiteful here in the UK.

 

[bimble]

Load of sabre rattling.
There's also this, French fishermen are going to blocade us & we will all have to eat beans on toast at christmas.

 

[brogdale]

Cutting their energy supplies would really be seen as spiteful here in the UK.

Maybe, but a very direct message that “Taking back control” is not a zero sum game?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Last week France was bleating that the bigger boys left them out of the world stage AUKUS thing, so this week France decides to threaten a tiny island relative of the U.K.

At school we had a word for those who engaged in such activities.

 

[Pickman's model]

Last week France was bleating that the bigger boys left them out of the world stage AUKUS thing, so this week France decides to threaten a tiny island relative of the U.K.

At school we had a word for those who engaged in such activities.

Yes, governments

 

[ska invita]

Last week France was bleating that the bigger boys left them out of the world stage AUKUS thing, so this week France decides to threaten a tiny island relative of the U.K.

At school we had a word for those who engaged in such activities.

its not "France", its workers threatening direct action to defend their livelihoods

 

[isvicthere?]

Load of sabre rattling.
There's also this, French fishermen are going to blocade us & we will all have to eat beans on toast at christmas. View attachment 291408

Just an observation: in what way are French (and British) products not "European"?

 

[TopCat]

its not "France", its workers threatening direct action to defend their livelihoods

Stopping French exports? How does that benefit French workers then? Personally Christmas will be fine without French origin food. ska invita

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

its not "France", its workers threatening direct action to defend their livelihoods

Clément Beaune is not a worker. Nor is Jean Castex

 

[ska invita]

This comes from the fishers themselves and their representation, which has influence in government

The trigger is fishers are being denied permits, which they have previously been given

 

[Ax^]

At school we had a word for those who engaged in such activities.

Agincourt?

and on at Crispen day the check of the French bastard's

 

[ska invita]

Its amazing to me that Britain has managed to hang on to its enclaves lives Jersey and Gibraltar despite the centuries of war

 

[brogdale]

Agincourt?

and on at Crispen day the check of the French bastard's

25th October.

 

[brogdale]

Its amazing to me that Britain has managed to hang on to its enclaves lives Jersey and Gibraltar despite the centuries of war

Never have enough tax havens.

 

[bimble]

Stopping French exports? How does that benefit French workers then? Personally Christmas will be fine without French origin food.

Are you saying that making it harder to export stuff from a country would be a bad thing for workers there?

 

[Pickman's model]

Its amazing to me that Britain has managed to hang on to its enclaves lives Jersey and Gibraltar despite the centuries of war

That's what happens if you're on the winning side

 

[TopCat]

French Europe Minister Clément Beaune told Europe 1 radio: "The UK depends on our energy exports, they think they can live alone while also beating up on Europe and, given that it doesn't work, they engage in aggressive one-upmanship."

 

[TopCat]

Are you saying that making it harder to export stuff from a country would be a bad thing for workers there?

I asked how it benefits French workers. Care to have a go answering as Ska has gone all quiet?

 

[ska invita]

Never have enough tax havens.

oh sure, theyre super strategic, especially from a naval point of view, just id expect imperial nations like france and spain would pick an opportune moment to grab them back.

 

[Sprocket.]

25th October.

About quarter past two.

 

[ska invita]

I asked how it benefits French workers. Care to have a go answering as Ska has gone all quiet?

whats the question? are you asking why there shouldnt be trade wars because its bad for workers?

 

[Pickman's model]

oh sure, theyre super strategic, especially from a naval point of view, just id expect imperial nations like france and spain would pick an opportune moment to grab them back.

You mean they've just been lulling the UK into a false sense of security over the past several centuries