A thank you to Brexiteers.

[krtek a houby]

surprised to hear about the new and improved troubles after 1998

There may be troubles ahead

 

[Raheem]

But while there's petrol and bog roll and turkeys from France...

 

[philosophical]

It's not nationalism. Not in the right wing sense.

It's freedom.

And that push for freedom might well take any strange bedfellows (Brexiteers, Bidenistas, Europhiles) in order to peacefully achieve glorious unity.

Is there nationalism that isn’t right wing?
I am trying to imagine a form of nationalism that is inclusive in a global left wing sense.
If there are examples I would be intrigued, I can certainly imagine groups uniting against oppression, but not ones based on an accident of birth, unless by some kind of geographical chance.

 

[Pickman's model]

There may be troubles ahead

but while there's moonlight and rioting and love and romance

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not nationalism. Not in the right wing sense.

It's freedom.

And that push for freedom might well take any strange bedfellows (Brexiteers, Bidenistas, Europhiles) in order to peacefully achieve glorious unity.

didn't james connolly say the cause of ireland is the cause of labour and the cause of labour is the cause of ireland?

or was it the other way round?

 

[krtek a houby]

Is there nationalism that isn’t right wing?
I am trying to imagine a form of nationalism that is inclusive in a global left wing sense.
If there are examples I would be intrigued, I can certainly imagine groups uniting against oppression, but not ones based on an accident of birth, unless by some kind of geographical chance.

Irish nationalism is a very different beast to others. It's about self determination of the island and leaving the shackles of the oppressors behind. Socialism and equality for all, plays an essential part.

It's true that right wing elements have crept in, but they tend to get short shrift.

 

[Spymaster]

But while there's petrol and bog roll and turkeys from France...

... Good post on Urban? No chance.

 

[The39thStep]

Is there nationalism that isn’t right wing? I am trying to imagine a form of nationalism that is inclusive in a global left wing sense.
If there are examples I would be intrigued, I can certainly imagine groups uniting against oppression, but not ones based on an accident of birth, unless by some kind of geographical chance.

PCP , the Portuguese Communist Party bills itself as a patriotic and left alternative whilst it has an internationalist perspective .

 

[Serge Forward]

Irish nationalism is a very different beast to others. It's about self determination of the island and leaving the shackles of the oppressors behind. Socialism and equality for all, plays an essential part.

It's true that right wing elements have crept in, but they tend to get short shrift.

“I am profoundly convinced that every nationalism offers humanity only the greatest unhappiness …. It is true that the nationalism of oppressed peoples – as a natural self-defensive reaction – is much more excusable than the nationalism of peoples who oppress; but, if the nationalism of the strong is ignoble, the nationalism of the weak is imprudent; both give birth to and support each other…”
Ludwik Lejzer Zamenhof, 1914

 

[gosub]

didn't james connolly say the cause of ireland is the cause of labour and the cause of labour is the cause of ireland?

or was it the other way round?

Sounds about right, the enemy were the landed gentry many of whom had/have estates in more than one place ...labelled them as the English .. (til gunboat diplomacy and black and tans escalated problem)

Problem (now) with United Ireland (I think)is the knock on effect on Scotland....Think there's lessons from Ireland that weren't learned but could be. Scottish land owners ARE well represented in Westminster..what is it something like 100 people own 90% of Scotland by area. Most of them have got a swat in the Lords,General Scots population however that's a different story

 

[Pickman's model]

Sounds about right, the enemy were the landed gentry many of whom had/have estates in more than one place ...labelled them as the English .. (til gunboat diplomacy and black and tans escalated problem)

Problem (now) with United Ireland (I think)is the knock on effect on Scotland....Think there's lessons from Ireland that weren't learned but could be. Scottish land owners ARE well represented in Westminster..what is it something like 100 people own 90% of Scotland by area. Most of them have got a swat in the Lords,General Scots population however that's a different story

like the 1913 lockout never happened

like the land war had never occurred

 

[Raheem]

... Good post on Urban? No chance.

Let's all go jogging
In our pants.

 

[andysays]

i think its great news that people will be able to fly their private toy planes around without having to waste too much time on unnecessary safety concerns, it's long been one of the pressing concerns of the nation.

I can think of one prominent Brexit campaigner whose past experience suggests he will be looking forward to deregulation in this particular area.

 

[The39thStep]

Terrible queues due to Brexit at Faro Airport Border Control

 

[Yossarian]

Terrible queues due to Brexit at Faro Airport Border Control

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"HGV drivers heading to Britain for three-month contracts will be given priority boarding, please don't all rush to the front at once."

 

[teqniq]

The view from across the channel:

 

[Ax^]

Terrible queues due to Brexit at Faro Airport Border Control

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all the brexit voting ex pat had had to sell their homes and move back to no wondered it quite

 

[The39thStep]

all the brexit voting ex pat had had to sell their homes and move back to no wondered it quite

This is the sort high level well thought out incisive and strong factual based analysis that makes Urban what it is

 

[Pickman's model]

This is the sort high level well thought out incisive and string factual based analysis that makes Urban what it is

#urbanatitsbest

 

[philosophical]

PCP , the Portuguese Communist Party bills itself as a patriotic and left alternative whilst it has an internationalist perspective .

I have tried to do a little bit of research on the Portuguese Communist Party. I can’t find information as to how nationalist they are, or how/if they promote nationalism.
There seems to be some kind of notion that they are ‘patriotic’, but nothing about what that means or how it manifests itself.
My take on patriotism is that those in power expect you to suffer and die for them because the powerful declare it as your duty.
Indeed there is the saying ‘my country right or wrong’, and exhortations about loyalty are used to manipulate.
Loving a specific culture, or aspects of culture is not nationalism or patriotism the way I see it. Indeed the enrichment of our language and our society by being open to difference is one of the positive things about living in London for me.
In terms of Ireland I would fully support resisting the constraints of the powerful in that land, but not because of some kind of romanticised patriotism, but because oppression has to be resisted.
If that oppression is based on race, which it has alway been when the mainland UK regards Ireland, then I can see how a kind of nationalism is invoked by that race as a kind of flag of resistance, but for me I agree with the quote helpfully posted above by Serge Forward.

 

[Ax^]

hmm did you not just come off the amber list yesterday as well

see my mom like going to portugal not in october mind as its only 20 degrees plus seeming as she won't get vaccinated until today she could not even get into the country

 

[two sheds]

#urbanatitsbest

should be an apostrophe in there somewhere

 

[Ax^]

only so we can argue if it is in the right place or needed

*shakes fist at sky

 

[two sheds]

or needed

 

[Pickman's model]

should be an apostrophe in there somewhere

 

[MysteryGuest]

Who's Urbana Titsbest?

 

[Pickman's model]

Who's Urbana Titsbest?

sunlit uplands' original username

 

[Ax^]

This is the sort high level well thought out incisive and string factual based analysis that makes Urban what it is

of course the picture of an empty airport queue is about as factual as the picture of an empty beard shelf in my local Asda

 

[Raheem]

an empty beard shelf in my local Asda

No problem there. I'll just grow my own.

 

[gosub]

No problem there. I'll just grow my own.

Thats the trouble with the modern world, everybody wants off the shelf instant results.

Youth of today, no patience