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Threshers_Flail
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Could anyone recommend an NHS dentist in South Manchester? Everywhere is private only and I can't afford £50 for a check up...
Mines on Platt lane. They only do NHS on particular days I think and I've no idea if they're taking on patients.
I think you can call NHS contact centre to find dentists who are taking new NHS patients.
Threshers_Flail
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Ah nice one, I'll give that a go!
AnnO'Neemus
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
There's a petition for The Briton's Protection, because the brewery have decided not to renew the lease for the current publicans. The Briton's Protection is one of the oldest pubs in the city centre
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Signed.There's a petition for The Briton's Protection, because the brewery have decided not to renew the lease for the current publicans. The Briton's Protection is one of the oldest pubs in the city centre
Always been a pre-gig pub for me when I've been out and about in Manchester since a Mancunian mate of mine introduced me to it years ago. It's a lovely old gaff that's just perfect for a session in and is full of craftsmanship that you never see in modern buidings.
Manchester without the The Britons Protection would be like Liverpool without The Dispensary or Dr Duncan's.
Sadly I think this is post-covid brewery's cutting their cloth and maximising profits now the spirit of unity and community has left the building.
It might have something to do with this being built next door apparently.
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
A developer wants to build a tower block next to one of Manchester's oldest pubs
Arrowsmith says Apex Tower will 'enhance and preserve' the Britons Protection, but the pub's owner said he was 'dumbfounded' by the plans
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yeah, I was wondering if the brewery might prefer to kick the current publicans out so they could sell it to the developers.It might have something to do with this being built next door apparently.
A developer wants to build a tower block next to one of Manchester's oldest pubs
Arrowsmith says Apex Tower will 'enhance and preserve' the Britons Protection, but the pub's owner said he was 'dumbfounded' by the plans
I've just checked, it's listed, so the brewery can't sell it to the developers for them to knock down and develop a bigger site.
THE BRITONS PROTECTION PH THE BRITONS PROTECTION PUBLIC HOUSE, Non Civil Parish - 1292050 | Historic England
List entry 1292050. Grade II Listed Building: The Britons Protection Ph The Britons Protection Public House. May include summary, reasons for designation and history.
historicengland.org.uk
Weird, then. Although I think something similar happened with the pub next to the Beetham Tower/Hilton, ie I think that was an old school boozer that got modernised and made blander. Think that might've shut now, iirc, although might've been down to Covid-19.
Maybe breweries think that if there's a fancy new building they need to modernise the pub to attract clientele? But someone staying in an hotel is either going to want to have a few drinks in somewhere like the Hilton's Cloud 23 bar, or they're going to want to go to a restaurant or club or shopping. If they do want to hang round in pubs, do they want to go to the same bland gastropub you get in every city?
Tourists (and Mancunians) like the city's real pubs, like the Peveril of the Peak, The Castle, Sir Ralph Abercrombie, etc.
Yea The Deansgate is shut, I think there's plans in for that site for a 22 story aparthotel as they're called but Green King were saying the pub will stay. I used to like it there as the only place on Deansgate that wasn't full of wankers but that would probably change when it reopens and I'm not arsed about drinking in town anyway. In fact the last few times I've been in on a Saturday night for gigs I've been very conscious of how mental it is.Yeah, I was wondering if the brewery might prefer to kick the current publicans out so they could sell it to the developers.
I've just checked, it's listed, so the brewery can't sell it to the developers for them to knock down and develop a bigger site.
THE BRITONS PROTECTION PH THE BRITONS PROTECTION PUBLIC HOUSE, Non Civil Parish - 1292050 | Historic England
List entry 1292050. Grade II Listed Building: The Britons Protection Ph The Britons Protection Public House. May include summary, reasons for designation and history.
Weird, then. Although I think something similar happened with the pub next to the Beetham Tower/Hilton, ie I think that was an old school boozer that got modernised and made blander. Think that might've shut now, iirc, although might've been down to Covid-19.
Maybe breweries think that if there's a fancy new building they need to modernise the pub to attract clientele? But someone staying in an hotel is either going to want to have a few drinks in somewhere like the Hilton's Cloud 23 bar, or they're going to want to go to a restaurant or club or shopping. If they do want to hang round in pubs, do they want to go to the same bland gastropub you get in every city?
Tourists (and Mancunians) like the city's real pubs, like the Peveril of the Peak, The Castle, Sir Ralph Abercrombie, etc.
I know I'm the exception but I never cared much for the Britons or the Pev. 'm fully aware they're the first pubs anyone ever recommends to people visiting Manchester though and to lose them would be massive. Nowhere would be safe effectively.
lazythursday
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They're not knocking it down though, they're planning to manage it directly on the cheap to make more money. Seems to be the current trend with pub companies as have heard of other examples. I'd always assumed tenants were used in order to force them to take on much of the risk while screwing them over, but something seems to have changed in the economics of running pubs. Now it's about putting in your own team of badly paid staff and some dreadful branding.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Interesting pub crawl round Rusholme, Hulme , Moss Side from 1992 . Only one pub remaining ?
neverendingpubcrawl.blogspot.com
Manchester: Rusholme, Moss Side & Hulme crawl, 30th July 1992
This was a crawl of some of the areas of South Manchester that I was really looking forward to doing. It was an early start from Nottingh...
neverendingpubcrawl.blogspot.com
Mrs B lives round the corner from the first of those (most recently Hardy's Well - I thought it had only been closed a couple of years but maybe it's 2016). It does feel like a shame that so many of these pubs have closed down, but I guess there's been significant social and demographic changes over the last 30 years which make it unsurprising - there's a lot of non-drinking communities in the area these days for one thing...Interesting pub crawl round Rusholme, Hulme , Moss Side from 1992 . Only one pub remaining ?
Manchester: Rusholme, Moss Side & Hulme crawl, 30th July 1992
This was a crawl of some of the areas of South Manchester that I was really looking forward to doing. It was an early start from Nottingh...
On Friday night we went to a pop up pub in Birch Community Centre that some locals have started running monthly as there is zero pubs in the area left since Hardy's Well went - it was pretty busy. Hopefully something more permanent will spring up soon - there's been a lot of smaller community bars opening in Preston recently in areas where there used to be big victorian boozers which have closed down.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I used to manage a football team for a couple of years out of The Junction.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The pubs near Cities ground Maine Road must have felt the crunch when the club moved to East Manchester
I understand it's been bought by MMU recently, not totally sure what they've got planned though
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
You ever been to the Old Abbey Taphouse in Hulme? That's an interesting one.
totally, it's a bit odd down there now, there's no sign the football ground was ever there.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I dunno what they've got planned, knocking it off and selling the land off for flats seems like a fair bet though?
A couple of times, I quite liked it there - it's a bit out of our area since she moved though
maybe it's not MMU - there are plans which involve it still being a pub though (of course there's also the obligatory housing added)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Out of that list, I haven't drank in:
Iron Duke
The Falstaff
Hope Inn
Star Inn
The Railway
Iron Duke
The Falstaff
Hope Inn
Star Inn
The Railway
lazythursday
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I've not been down there since the Abbey Pond occupation / eviction, circa 1994, very early Manc eco-activism, on a wildlife site next to the pub which is now soulless science park. Afterwards I just never wanted to see the end result. Can't remember a fecking thing about what the pub was like back then mind.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Recently? When and where did you hear that? Before the pandemic, I went to a meeting in the yard theatre opposite (the space in the Yellowbricks/Homes for Change/Work for Change) that was hosted by the developer's architects.
It had been bought by a guy from the Middle East (Saudi Arabian, iirc), not to develop and flog for profit, but as an investment for his family.
Plan was to retain The Junction, convert the basement into a performance space, ground floor reopens as a bar, first floor is a flat, and then they also have a flat on the reinstated second floor, albeit a contemporary version not a fascimile. Apparently, the pub used to have another floor on top, but it was lost to a fire. I didn't know that and I've lived in Hulme nearly 20 years.
To summarise, basement performance space, ground floor bar, first and second floor turned into a flat on each floor.
Then the plans for the car park was a block of flats (not high rise, iirc, four or five?) with retail units on the ground floor facing the road. Feedback from the community at the meeting was that they didn't want takeaways or big chain (no Tesco Express, for example), they wanted independent retailers, although the architect mentioned having been in talks with a potential tenant to turn the commercial space into an art gallery.
That was pre-pandemic. I haven't heard anything recently about a sale to MMU.
MMU or MMU student union bought The Salutation (the Sally) a while back, turned a community boozer into a student pub.
The problem with positioning a tiny café hospitality/catering business in a local neighbourhood at students, as Grano on Stretford Road found out, is that they fuck off home for Christmas, Easter, and Summer, when many of them fuck off and leave the area altogether, and then your business dies, because you've alienated all the locals by making it clear you're very welcoming towards students, not so welcoming towards the people who live on the business' doorstep, week in, week out, month in, month out, year in, year out. And they sacrificed the longevity of their business on the basis of attracting the custom of people who were going to be around for around 30 weeks, while ignoring and not cultivating the custom of people who've lived there years.
I don't know how the Sally's faring nowadays, I'd guess likewise? Especially with lots of students going home/staying home and studying remotely
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Used to love the Salutation
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Grants Arms became Afewe (although many still referred to it as the Grant's Arms) but then it closed after the landlord lost his licence after a stabbing (in the street outside the pub), after a private party that had been held inside the pub.
The cops and the council were racist fucks, at the licensing hearing, a room full of white people clutching their pearls about 'gangs' (ie code for black people). The Junction had been raided by cops due to incidents but not shut down. (Run by white guy.) But there's one incident, that's not even in the pub, and the racist authorities strip the black landlord of his livelihood. Total, utter cunts.
It's now a children's nursery.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I didn't go that often, mostly because I could never find the bloody place! I had to go with friends, otherwise it was hit and miss whether I'd find it. Of course, thus was in the days before Google maps.
The Grants/Afewe was my local.
I think the students are all back now, and have been since September last year - the student fleshpots I pass on my wanders seem to be full to pre-pandemic levels (I've not been past the Salutation recently, but no reason to think it's any different)
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