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9/11 20 years on

It makes for really powerful reading, that thread. At times urban was one of the very few news-based sites still up and running.
Yeah, that’s one of the key things I remember from that day. I think we forget how less capable the web was back then - hard to imagine something as big as the BBC or CNN site crashing under the strain of a major news story nowadays.
 
I was out sick having been diagnosed in hospital a few weeks previous with a serious health problem. My mum was sick too and so we were both minding each other.
She told me about the news when the footage of the first plane was shown on sky news. I sat and watched as the second plane went in. We had relatives in NY who worked in one of the buildings.
I remember the shock and thinking about how the people stuck in the top floors hadnt a chance.
Then the jumpers started and then the buildings collapsed.
It was a pretty devastating...
 
I'd recommend the podcast Blindspot-The Road to 9/11 about America's intelligence fuck-ups and their failure to prevent it.

There's a fundie christian podcast called Blindspot. Don't download that one by mistake
Started listening to this last night fascinating there is also a film from 2007 called Charlie Wilsons war where Tom Hanks plays Charlie
 
I worked doing IT in a brokers in London at this time and saw it on Bloomberg, the brokers were in contact with their clients in the banks in the WTC. We were all sent home but we went to the pub over the road, next to the BBC on Langham Street. It seems bizarre that I ever worked anywhere like that and so long ago and yet like yesterday. I found it really devastating, I'd been to New York when I was 10 years old to stay with family, my dad had family who moved there from Liverpool after WW2 (how long ago does that sound?) and my dad's father was American (though he never knew him, that felt important to me) and it was this really special place in my mind. I remember being on top of the WTC on a gorgeous day with a perfect blue sky and feeling truly on top of the world, it was like nothing else.

I went to New York about 3 months after 9/11 around Christmas time. I saw the Here is New York exhibition there weltweit, before it traveled, and bought some copies of photos because they were fundraising...I think for children..they're upstairs in a cardboard envelope, what do you do with pictures like that?
 
.. I went to New York about 3 months after 9/11 around Christmas time. I saw the Here is New York exhibition there weltweit, before it traveled, and bought some copies of photos because they were fundraising...I think for children..they're upstairs in a cardboard envelope, what do you do with pictures like that?
If they are good photos you could get them mounted and framed and hang them somewhere? They would certainly be a talking point if you have visitors.
 
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I'd gone round to my mate's house after school and his mum came in and told us. We correctly worked out there was going to be a war, and spent a while discussing how we'd dodge the draft if they brought back National Service and it was still going by the time we turned 18, which wasn't quite so accurate.
 
If they are good photos you could get them mounted and framed and hang them somewhere? They would certainly be a talking point if you have visitors.

They weren't, they were ordinary photos by ordinary people, that was the point of the exhibition. I think it was subtitled a democracy of photographs. One was of a mother attending to her baby in their pushchair with the devastation behind them across the river.

They can stay where they are, it would feel morbid and voyeuristic to put them up. I wouldn't get rid of them.
 
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I'd gone round to my mate's house after school and his mum came in and told us. We correctly worked out there was going to be a war, and spent a while discussing how we'd dodge the draft if they brought back National Service and it was still going by the time we turned 18, which wasn't quite so accurate.
Donald Trump, on twitter? I thought he was banned.
 
20 years ago I was working for a press cuttings agency in Newcastle.

When I came back in from fetching the early afternoon editions of the local papers, all our team were in the manager's office watching a tiny TV screen.
Boss was in tears, she had only been in New York a few days before, and had friends who worked in the WTC buildings.
[not all the people she knew survived].
Made far worse by seeing the clips of the second plane hitting and then news of the Pentagon & Pennsylvania crash.
Watching the towers fall was terrifying ...

I drove home very carefully ... for the next several months I had a "grab bag" with me at all times.
I kept seeing things that worried me, so I was quite pleased to get a job slightly out of the main city centre.

After the London attacks in 2005, I worked out several routes & methods of getting home - with and without my car - and started carrying that "grab bag" again.
 
I was in a call centre in Derne Valley. Someone was making a brew and happened to turn on the news and then the whole place went earily quiet. People started logging onto news sites and we couldn't take it in. It felt unreal at the time and then as the rest of the day unfolded it was even more so. Most of us worked on autopilot that day.
 
I didn't work at all after first seeing what was going on, I just tried to keep up to date. The news about the Pentagon and the fourth plane was a little slow to come through if I recall correctly.
 
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i was commuting to a job in philadelphia then. (a surprising number of people do this, or to princeton or rutgers.) i was driving down 11th ave when the traffic guy came on the radio at 8:48 and said "i can't believe what i just saw i've never seen anything like this a plane just flew into the world trade center" (or similar). i imagined somebody in a Piper committing a spectacular suicide during rush hour on an election day (it was primary day for the mayoral election in november).

i go through the lincoln tunnel and when you come out in new jersey you're driving directly away from manhattan for about three miles and then you make a long 90 degree turn to the left to get onto the turnpike. after you get through the toll booth you're parallel with manhattan. then i looked over and the second plane had hit, great billowing black smoke pouring out of the buildings. i pulled over to stare along with others, but what i remember at that moment was that most people were zipping right by. i guess they just thought they had to get to work. that's what i was doing after all. isn't it curious, how you factor these things at the moment, which in retrospect seem like they should have stopped the clock.

about 2/3 the way to phila it came over the radio that one tower had collapsed. by then the island had been closed off, so i was out of town for a stretch.
 
I spoke to my NY uncle a few days after, his flat is only a few blocks from the WTC.

He is no patriot. He was devastated. At one point he cried down the phone, and I'll never forget him telling me "we're breathing in dust, dust from the tower, from the bodies".

He talked of all the different nationalities of the victims, and how it felt like an assault on his city, which he loves so much in part because it is so diverse - a city of immigrants.

He was also scared. Shit scared. As were so many people around the world, myself included - scared what his government's reaction would be.
 
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After the London attacks in 2005, I worked out several routes & methods of getting home - with and without my car - and started carrying that "grab bag" again.
I am interested in your grab bag, what sort of things did you have in it? and did you really think downtown Newcastle was likely to be a AQ target? :)
 
First I heard was when Andy the IT/CAD manager came in and said a plane had hit the WTC in New York. Like many I assumed this was a light aircraft, as some incident like this had happened before with a small plane. Not all the machines in the office had internet then, and the web stopped working quite quickly, so we were getting verbal updates and I think eventually got to see it on a telly as the gravity of everything started hitting. I’m not sure if I saw the second plane incident in real time or not, it’s all a bit fuzzy. The shock/surprise when the towers actually came down, not anticipating that damage to a few floors could trigger complete structural failure.

Like many big disasters or terrorist incidents there was that initial exaggeration of the number of victims and perpetrator, talk of there being 20 or 30 or 60 planes unaccounted for in the skies over America, planes unaccounted for in Europe, people just waiting for the next attack wherever it would be, feeling like it wouldn’t end. Talk of 60,000 dead being constantly revised downwards, it sticking at 6000 for a long time then dropping to the eventual total.

For years I didn’t delete the email exchanges with my ex gf discussing it in real-time, kept as some kind of archive until I eventually left that job a few years back. Someone at her work had been holidaying in NY and had been in the cafe at the top of the tower the day before, they were freaked out about what had happened to the staff that served them. Stories like this brought home the humanity of it all.

I recall some weird claim that the passport of one of the perpetrators was found in the street debris after which just seemed preposterously unlikely, but was part of the immediate finger pointing at AQ, still these days not sure of the veracity of this claim. For a long time I had a suspicion/conspiratorial thought that perhaps some of those involved were being watched or were ‘known’ but not intercepted on the day, something the state would in all probability keep quiet about, and the passport story was just a way of pointing the finger in the right direction. No idea whether this report was ever stood up or discussed in more detail.

Nobody had hijacked planes for use as weapons before, incidents usually just meant that someone wanted to be taken to another country or led to hold outs on airport tarmac while demands were negotiated. I think there was one more ‘traditional’ hijacking not long after this, then that game seemed to be over, planes would be shot out of the sky now, not worth it.

Another plane crash in Queens a few days later and immediate assumption it was another attack, it wasn’t.

The desperate twisting of the narrative to blame Iraq, blowhards wanting to sweep right through the Middle East from Pakistan to the gulf to ‘sort this out’. That knowing someone would pay, and it would mostly be innocents caught up in America’s fury. And here we are, still bleeding.
 
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I can also remember weeks later when all the talking heads on the TV started telling us about who AQ were, and how they radicalised people by showing them repeated images of atrocities over and over again, and then realising as we were watching the towers collapse and bodies fall on and endless reel that maybe there was also a need here to keep that fury going here too.

I also remember the absurdity of people calling this a ‘cowardly attack’. I know that’s the done thing with terrorism but it seemed particularly out of line with how this was done. Like in all politics and war, the other side is always dumb, brainwashed, incompetent.
 
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I'd gone round to my mate's house after school and his mum came in and told us. We correctly worked out there was going to be a war, and spent a while discussing how we'd dodge the draft if they brought back National Service and it was still going by the time we turned 18, which wasn't quite so accurate.
On the day itself...

 
Yeah, that’s one of the key things I remember from that day. I think we forget how less capable the web was back then - hard to imagine something as big as the BBC or CNN site crashing under the strain of a major news story nowadays.
It would still be a big challenge to deal with an unexpected global news spike at this scale - not just for the likes of the BBC but all the other behind the scenes critical providers that make the Internet work.

This is an operational support ticket from the BBC in New York on 9/11: https://web.archive.org/web/2003111...bc.co.uk/cgi-bin/tickets/showticket?tkt=10083
 
He was also scared. Shit scared. As were so many people around the world, myself included - scared what his government's reaction would be.

In my office, we all knew there was a war coming when the second plane hit. It went from "what a horrible accident" to "we're at war now, aren't we" in just a few minutes.
 
It would still be a big challenge to deal with an unexpected global news spike at this scale - not just for the likes of the BBC but all the other behind the scenes critical providers that make the Internet work.

This is an operational support ticket from the BBC in New York on 9/11: https://web.archive.org/web/2003111...bc.co.uk/cgi-bin/tickets/showticket?tkt=10083
That brings a few things back - I knew "brandon" very well, having worked in the same office as him until only shortly before 9/11...
 
It would still be a big challenge to deal with an unexpected global news spike at this scale - not just for the likes of the BBC but all the other behind the scenes critical providers that make the Internet work.

This is an operational support ticket from the BBC in New York on 9/11: https://web.archive.org/web/2003111...bc.co.uk/cgi-bin/tickets/showticket?tkt=10083
I’ve no doubt that behind the scenes it would be a huge amount of work, but would we see the public facing sites falling over? I get the impression the web is a lot more resilient nowadays, with hosting sites and servers a lot more flexible in terms of load, given the right tech teams behind them?
 
I’ve no doubt that behind the scenes it would be a huge amount of work, but would we see the public facing sites falling over? I get the impression the web is a lot more resilient nowadays, with hosting sites and servers a lot more flexible in terms of load, given the right tech teams behind them?
There's always going to be something unforeseen - reading those BBC logs, I remember the whole business with the repeated failures of the critical generator - the sheer nightmarishness of it all doesn't really come over from that narrative...
 
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