5G networks - safety, conspiracies and moron cell tower attacks

[Magnus McGinty]

Is it? Tell me more.

Because all I've seen in regard to "issues around 5G" has been daft woo bollocks.

Is that a genuine question? If PCs can get viruses and be hacked then it follows that ‘smart’ tech (which 5g enables) can also.

 

[existentialist]

Is that a genuine question? If PCs can get viruses and be hacked then it follows that ‘smart’ tech (which 5g enables) can also.

And how is that different in the case of 5G versus all the levels of tech that have gone before?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

And how is that different in the case of 5G versus all the levels of tech that have gone before?

Because it’s all about ‘smart’ devices. The running of your home. And how that data may be (mis)used by companies or state agencies.

Tangentially connected is this article about how things are currently in China.

Inside China’s surveillance state | Financial Times

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Because it’s all about ‘smart’ devices. The running of your home. And how that data may be (mis)used by companies or state agencies.

Tangentially connected is this article about how things are currently in China.

Inside China’s surveillance state | Financial Times

That's why I won't have one of those spy devices from Amazon or whatever. Just not worth the risk of being spied on.

 

[WouldBe]

Has anyone got any reputable links about 5G safety?

It works at the same frequency as TV and microwaves. When you consider the very high power levels these use have you heard of any problems from these?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

That's why I won't have one of those spy devices from Amazon or whatever. Just not worth the risk of being spied on.

I still don’t do supermarket loyalty cards. Obvs I do smartphones tho.

 

[keybored]

Is that a genuine question? If PCs can get viruses and be hacked then it follows that ‘smart’ tech (which 5g enables) can also.

Saying 5g enables smart tech is like saying supercars enable transport, ie; not really, they just take it to a ridiculously fast extreme. The home automation you go on to mention doesn't require the shit tons of bandwidth or speed that 5g offers and the link you posted doesn't mention 5g.

TPTB have been perfectly capable of spying on you for decades without newfangled 5g nonsense.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Saying 5g enables smart tech is like saying supercars enable transport, ie; not really, they just take it to a ridiculously fast extreme. The home automation you go on to mention doesn't require the shit tons of bandwidth or speed that 5g offers and the link you posted doesn't mention 5g.

TPTB have been perfectly capable of spying on you for decades without newfangled 5g nonsense.

It’s widening and accelerating that scope.

 

[keybored]

It’s widening and accelerating that scope.

How? The range of 5g is less than that of older technologies, and the coverage (especially within buildings) will be worse. What specific smart technology are you concerned about that 5g will make less secure?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Because it’s all about ‘smart’ devices. The running of your home. And how that data may be (mis)used by companies or state agencies.

Tangentially connected is this article about how things are currently in China.

Inside China’s surveillance state | Financial Times

A seperate issue I think, buy yeah, apparently a lot of the IOT stuff is stupidly insecure.

 

[souljacker]

Magnus McGinty You're talking shit I'm afraid.

 

[gentlegreen]

 

[editor]

Unqualified twats on t'internet spreading bullshit again

While the 5G band is indeed slightly higher frequency than traditional networks, the crucial fact is it’s still nowhere near ionisation thresholds. To put it in perspective, the weakest photon of visible light carries over 17,000 times the energy of the most energetic 5G photon. To be consistent, anti-5G activists would have to be orders of magnitude more concerned about light-bulbs than mobile phones.

That they aren’t is telling of significant misunderstanding. Quite aside from this, empirical data to date simply doesn’t support the contention that microwave radiation harms us. The massive 13-country INTERPHONE study found no relationship between phone use and common brain tumours, the dose-response curve betraying no correlation between exposure and tumour rates. This finding is echoed in numerous other studies, and the scientific consensus is clear that no reputable evidence points to hidden harms from radio-frequency radiation.

The furore over 5G is a snapshot of a more pressing problem – the dominance of disinformation online. This emergent problem wracks havoc in everything from politics to medicine. Dissemination of anti-vaccine propaganda online, for example, has led to a renaissance of once-conquered diseases worldwide. We are too easily bamboozled by the phenomenon of illusory truth, where repeated exposures to falsehoods makes us more likely to accept them. Worse, social media amplifies our propensity to motivated reasoning, tempting us to curate only information chiming with our preconceptions, jettisoning that which might challenge them.

This is to our collective detriment, with the net result of all this being that we are left more divided than ever before, vulnerable to demagogues, charlatans, and fools. There is, alas, no easy fix to this. To survive the era of disinformation, it’s imperative we improve our societal ability to think critically and embrace healthy scepticism. While this isn’t intuitive, our ability to reflect before reacting is the only shield we have against those who would mislead us.

Anti-5G activism is another example of people not thinking critically

 

[gentlegreen]

Coincidentally I've been having a go at a local chapter on Facebook - they posted this non-paper - from the Lancet don't ya know ...

It doesn't actually seem to say anything meaningful.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(18)30221-3/fulltext

 

[editor]

Here's the science 5G confirmed safe by radiation watchdog

 

[existentialist]

Here's the science 5G confirmed safe by radiation watchdog

Ah yes, but they would say that, wouldn't they? It was probably them that engineered this damn virus

 

[editor]

Ah yes, but they would say that, wouldn't they? It was probably them that engineered this damn virus

Yeah and they wrote about it in that book first

 

[existentialist]

Yeah and they wrote about it in that book first

Proof, right there.

 

[RTWL]

The problem is I believe known as electro smog and it occurs when frequencies used are similar to or interfear with our bodies and those of the surrounding animals.
Studies are in their infancy . Doubt 5g will make much of a difference ... just slightly increased heat/radiation ?

https://cdn.bats.org.uk/pdf/About%20Bats/Radiowaves_and_bats_2011.pdf?mtime=20190425112350

 

[SpookyFrank]

The problem is I believe known as electro smog and it occurs when frequencies used are similar to or interfear with our bodies and those of the surrounding animals.

This is, in the immortal words of Wolgang Pauli, not even wrong.

 

[gentlegreen]

Studies are in their infancy . Doubt 5g will make much of a difference ... just slightly increased heat/radiation ?

Quite possibly less as the field will be more efficiently spread out and your phone will have to waste less power communicating with nodes.

 

[RTWL]

This is, in the immortal words of Wolgang Pauli, not even wrong.

if it (moblie phone signal) is as safe as a cool spring breeze then why this -

Precautionary measures and health advisories
In May 2011, the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer announced it was classifying electromagnetic fields from mobile phones and other sources as "possibly carcinogenic to humans" and advised the public to adopt safety measures to reduce exposure, like use of hands-free devices or texting.[58]

Some national radiation advisory authorities, including those of Austria,[59] France,[60] Germany,[61] and Sweden,[62] have recommended measures to minimize exposure to their citizens. Examples of the recommendations are:

• Use hands-free to decrease the radiation to the head.
• Keep the mobile phone away from the body.
• Do not use telephone in a car without an external antenna.

The use of "hands-free" was not recommended by the British Consumers' Association in a statement in November 2000, as they believed that exposure was increased.[63] However, measurements for the (then) UK Department of Trade and Industry[64] and others for the French Agence française de sécurité sanitaire environnementale [fr][65] showed substantial reductions. In 2005, Professor Lawrie Challis and others said clipping a ferrite bead onto hands-free kits stops the radio waves travelling up the wire and into the head.[66]

Several nations have advised moderate use of mobile phones for children.[67] A journal by Gandhi et al. in 2006 states that children receive higher levels of Specific Absorption Rate (SAR). When 5- and 10-year olds are compared to adults, they receive about 153% higher SAR levels. Also, with the permittivity of the brain decreasing as one gets older and the higher relative volume of the exposed growing brain in children, radiation penetrates far beyond the mid-brain.[68]

oh .. i am not arguing 5g is going to make a difference ... as gentlegreen says it might improve the situation .

 

[SpookyFrank]

'Radiation' does not mean what you think it means.

 

[2hats]

if it (moblie phone signal) is as safe as a cool spring breeze then why this -

It's as safe as the Sun. (note: not The Sun, which is, in fact, more dangerous still).

 

[RTWL]

'Radiation' does not mean what you think it means.

No, I realize that it does not corrupt dna .

 

[gentlegreen]

If you want to see some ironic woo, check this out :-
People pay stupid money to have random noise in the 20khz region emitted from a coil around their necks.
The magnetic output of the coil is reckoned to be approx 1/10 of that naturally received from the earth.
You pay for the product, then you pay to have triple encripted WAV files delivered via a phone app on a regular basis...

In this version they're claiming it can stimulate emotions, but there's an anti-cancer version.

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So here you have the sort of people who might otherwise be fretting about a bit of RF from mobile phones or dirty mains, deliberately exposing themselves to "frequencies" ...

 

[editor]

Excellent article here

How Worried Should You Be About the Health Risks of 5G?

How concerned should you be about the health risk of 5G? We take a look at the actual science.

www.howtogeek.com

The amount of woowoo/virus/government agent bollocks all over FB is quite disturbing, especially when ity; comes from people who should know better.

 

[8ball]

It's as safe as the Sun. (note: not The Sun, which is, in fact, more dangerous still).

It's as safe as a nuclear explosion so massive that it has several planets in its orbit.
Comforting.

 

[Idaho]

There's a very active and popular anti 5g group in the South West. Someone must be financing it. The Exeter high Street was overtaken by hundreds of them the other month.

 

[gentlegreen]

the issue of concern around 5G is in relation to data, not daft woo bollocks

It is for people who read beyond recycled headlines on farcebook memes - this "Chinese" virus has fired this shit up even worse ...