littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That doesn't surprise me. As i said earlier a really cyclist friendly thing to do would be to nake cars wait until all the cyclists at the front have crossed.
5 Cyclists dead in 1 week in London
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That doesn't work now does it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
a search of all english language news on nexis for 'transport for london' or 'tfl' and 'suppressed' and 'report' for the period 01 jan 2007 to 31 dec 2007 returns no results. perhaps you could provide a link to substantiate your claim.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you said i made no link. i clearly made a link. you now say i haven't demonstrated a link. that's shifting the goalposts. i had done what you said i hadn't: if i'm as bad as bj, you're worse.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Oooh look this took me all of 5 seconds on a little something I found called "Google"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/male-cyclists-who-jump-red-lights-are-safer-7181197.html
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
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But....but cLoWnFiSh....
It really is, I used to have to use it every day. It replaced a previous dangerous design and made it worse, as every single cyclists could see. What's particularly annoying about it is that there is loads and loads of road space there for a dedicated cycle lane but instead there is this usual obsession with "maintaining capacity" (i.e capacity for motors, i.e. reducing overall junction capacity). If it was a bottleneck like Herne Hill or something, I'd have some sympathy for the designers. But this junction is obviously going to kill someone, probably some poor sodding naive who's just started cycling and hasn't realised that they are zero-rated in importance once they get on a bike.
Meanwhile Pickman's Model and all the other little Clarksons will reflexively blame the victim.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why not be a better person and admit you were wrong? There's no shame in it - you didn't realise the evidence went against what you thought. The problem isn't as you thought it was. You've learned something.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
one source = widely reported. cheers.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why not be a better person and admit you were wrong? There's no shame in it - you didn't realise the evidence went against what you thought. The problem isn't as you thought it was. You've learned something.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're like that bot who was about last night posting up shite. i haven't read the report fully so i won't comment yet except to say it doesn't conclude that cyclists should go through red lights to be safer, it says that means should be investigated to ensure the c.15% who do go through red lights obey the signals. as for evidence going against me, i have yet to see any evidence presented on the issue of cyclists going the wrong way down one-way streets, jumping on and off pavements, etc etc.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I think you might be wasting your time here. You can see this with just about every exchange he has on U75. It's your basic PSB, they are highly educated and articulate but emotionally they're screwed.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't know how you can describe someone who can't drive and travels solely by walking or public transport as a little clarkson. you're right, of course, that there's a lot of diabolical design at junctions, whether south of the river in the example in the video, at holborn or at king's cross which can and should be changed.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Boris Johnson is a cyclist around London. Doesn't stop him being a twat towards cyclists.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and i've not seen him described here as a little clarkson.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
your typical mo: cast aspersions on someone's mental or emotional state.
I think you might be wasting your time here. You can see this with just about every exchange he has on U75. It's your basic PSB, they are highly educated and articulate but emotionally they're screwed.
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But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Of course, it's my problem
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Oh dear.
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Unsubscribes from thread for the second time ....
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
My "typical mo"? I'm sure you'll have hoards of links to all the posts where I continually do this.
I think you've not realised it's just what I say to you - and that's because I think it's true. Although even here you're not quite right - "mentally" (if by this you mean intellectually) you are fine, it's your emotional foundation that is shot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't have a hoards of your posts but i wouldn't be surprised if hordes of your posts contained similar claims.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm not seeing anything about being emotionally all over the place here.
Of course, it's my problem
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But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no more than you with your abandonment of arguing and preference here for the ad hominem
So you're talking shite then?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this is urban, where we have pointless bickering 24/7
TotallyGreatGuy
Tool
this is going nowhere :B
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
weepiper and TotallyGreatGuy - I got to say I am surprised that you think this is 'just pointless bickering' - ie that it's six of one, half a dozen of the other (not directly what you said TGG but implied in the context).
PM has a ton of form for pointless thread-fucking with attention-seeking antics and he's got a particular habit of trolling cycling threads (usually ones where people are trying to discuss safety) with snidey legalistic anti-cycling stuff. He's directly, visibly pissed off at least half the posters on this thread already. If enough people tell him to piss off, even he might get the cue & then the thread might get somewhere useful.
But if you think that you can get a useful debate going with him included then I'm all eyes here, I haven't seen anyone else make a success of it, so good luck.
PM has a ton of form for pointless thread-fucking with attention-seeking antics and he's got a particular habit of trolling cycling threads (usually ones where people are trying to discuss safety) with snidey legalistic anti-cycling stuff. He's directly, visibly pissed off at least half the posters on this thread already. If enough people tell him to piss off, even he might get the cue & then the thread might get somewhere useful.
But if you think that you can get a useful debate going with him included then I'm all eyes here, I haven't seen anyone else make a success of it, so good luck.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
There's absolutely no point engaging. This is what he does, all over the board, it's not just about cyclists.
Remus Harbank
Cake and whipped cream…
1) The 'super highways' are nothing but a PR piece that's slowly falling apart/fading into nothingness
2) Cycling should be encouraged, but there needs to be much better investment in infrastructure (I wouldn't get on a bike for anything at the moment)
3) HGV/Lorry/Van drivers are often under immense pressure/knackered and don't see/mind anything that's not a motorised vehicle, many are also from outside London, unfamiliar with the layout
4) Some cyclists do seem to think they are God's gift to the world, not realising that they are nothing but a few stone of soft, squishy flesh on a wireframe
5) Pedestrians are and should be king – they don't use any resources but their own and have the roughest deal really
6) Cyclists speeding down pavements should have their bikes confiscated, as should cyclists without lights at night
7) Highway code training should be absolutely mandatory when purchasing a bike – anything that can go up to 20mph is dangerous to anyone that can't
8) A truly better infrastructure is not going to happen any time soon – there's no real political will to change this (forget about the blonde Cousin It in city hall)
2) Cycling should be encouraged, but there needs to be much better investment in infrastructure (I wouldn't get on a bike for anything at the moment)
3) HGV/Lorry/Van drivers are often under immense pressure/knackered and don't see/mind anything that's not a motorised vehicle, many are also from outside London, unfamiliar with the layout
4) Some cyclists do seem to think they are God's gift to the world, not realising that they are nothing but a few stone of soft, squishy flesh on a wireframe
5) Pedestrians are and should be king – they don't use any resources but their own and have the roughest deal really
6) Cyclists speeding down pavements should have their bikes confiscated, as should cyclists without lights at night
7) Highway code training should be absolutely mandatory when purchasing a bike – anything that can go up to 20mph is dangerous to anyone that can't
8) A truly better infrastructure is not going to happen any time soon – there's no real political will to change this (forget about the blonde Cousin It in city hall)
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But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Ok fair enough. I feel like I have to post something in case it's one of the other poster's first encounter with him.
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