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Epona , what meat do you recommend?

Thus far, I've been giving Marjorie dry food only, it's Asda's Tiger brand which claims to be a 'complete' food. She seems to like it ok, and also seems to have healthy digestion, but I'm just wondering whether I should be supplementing her food with wet meaty stuff.

I mostly feed my cats wet food, because cats are evolved to get most of their liquid from their food and not drink very much.
I feed a mix of foods but my mainstay is Bozita which is (translating from German on the side of the pack): 92% chicken: with beef, pork, calcium carbonate, and vitamins and minerals with taurine*. I can give you a detailed breakdown (of the vitamin and mineral components) if you need further info in case you have a cat with allergies that needs to avoid certain foods or other dietary requirements as it is all listed on the box.
I also sometimes give them a bit of raw minced beef or some chicken (bones taken out if the chicken is cooked).

*Edit: Taurine is essential for cats, deficiency can cause blindness, muscle tremors and weakness, including heart palpitations and irregularity.
 
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I mostly feed my cats wet food, because cats are evolved to get most of their liquid from their food and not drink very much.

Nice bit of info :thumbs:

Mine gets bottled water inside as he refuses to drink tap water and outside there is usually rainwater available.
 
Don't want to fan the flames but I have to say Schmetterling , when I saw your cats' menu (oats, veggies, tinned fish!), my reaction was very :eek:. Okay, I can see you thought the response from Epona was antagonistic, but really, it's coming from concern about the cats' welfare.

Breeze is "my" first cat since I was a kid (back then I knew jack shit and wasn't a responsible pet owner.) Being a "responsible" grown up, I thought I'd better find out stuff about cat health and nutrition, as I'd done with guinea pigs. I want my pets to be healthy, content and live as long and well as possible, mostly for their benefit, but also I don't want them to get sick, have expensive vet bills, be in pain or die early. Epona & others here were really helping me learn stuff and where to get good, not so expensive food. There's also good info on the internet (but also of course whackdoodle, far out stuff of course.)

Cats, dogs and small children will eat all sorts of things that aren't good for them, even are harmful to them, if you give it to them. Just because they eat it and "look" healthy enough doesn't mean it's okay to feed it to them. A lot of the food marketed at children is really unhealthy crap. Same goes for pet food but hey, it's up to us "responsible adult types," to make the choices here :)

Breeze, trying to eat a Pop Tart - definitely NOT a good idea!
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A human's intestine is about 6 times it's body length, designed to digest a mixed diet including vegetation and cereals. A cat's is only 3 times it's body length so food passes through the system quickly. It's not set up to digest complex carbohydrates like grains or vegetable matter. If you give cereals & plant matter (or food mostly made up of it), most of it will just pass through undigested without much in the way of nutrients being absorbed. The stuff will also irritate the intestinal lining, can cause constipation, vomiting and chronic painful bowel problems. You'll also be raking alot more and smellier shit out of the litterbox, (Breeze craps only every 2nd or 3rd day - not a bouquet of roses, but not as bad as any other cat's I've known!)

One of my neighbour's cat's was diagnosed with diabetes and the vet pretty well just told her it's daily injections for life, that's it. She looked into the diet thing, changed her to grain free/high meat and within a few months, she regained weight and hasn't needed insulin. (I've discovered alot of vets know very little about animal nutrition and/or care more about the hefty fees they get from Royal Canin and Hills to tout their products in surgeries :(. I knew most were crap on care of guinea pigs, but I didn't know this about cats and dogs . . . )

So, Breeze is on a grain free, high meat diet. She likes dry food (which actually makes no difference to the teeth, despite what alot of people think!) so she gets Thrive Complete dry (90% meat) or one of the other 70% plus meat dry foods. Being a Maine Coon, she likes to play in and drink water. Not all high meat wet foods are that expensive - HiLife and Feline Fayre are middling (about 50-60% meat) and often around 4 for a quid at Asda or B & M. It's important to check they are "complete" (with taurine & other nutrients added) rather than complementary (like Applaws/Encore.) Some of the really high meat ones are cheap online from ZooPlus or Pets at Home online, like Bozita and Natures Menu.

Right, I'll step off the soap box now.

Yes, that's me you see in the pet food aisle, clutching a tin, scrutinising the label and tutting loudly! :D
 
Nice bit of info :thumbs:

Mine gets bottled water inside as he refuses to drink tap water and outside there is usually rainwater available.

midnight won't drink tap water either, unless it's in a puddle on the bathroom floor. no sign she will drink bottled water either. if we're not letting her out for any reason, which is usyually when she's not acting quite herself, she gets some cat milk.


we also id'd the tail issue, there's a scab about the size of a 5p piece on the side of her tail. lump's all gone down and she's not swearing at me if i touch the area. so ti's all looking reasonably good.
 
So, Breeze is on a grain free, high meat diet. She likes dry food (which actually makes no difference to the teeth, despite what alot of people think!)
Really? I didn't know this, I don't like feeding ours dry food because it's really difficult to get them to drink water (they'll only drink from a pint glass and they prefer ours to the cat designated one).... But the vet's always recommending it for their teeth.
 
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Marjorie this morning in her new favourite spot on the living room windowsill, being nosey and checking out the other neighbourhood cats.

She's been here a week now and seems to have settled in very well. I'm taking her to the vets for a checkup early next week, then am going to start introducing her to the back yard.

Cribynkle - your cats will only drink from a pint glass? Are they pub cats?
 
We feel like cruel monsters atm, because Worf, our lovely white cat, has been banned since a few weeks ago (and permanently) from ever having milk, he used to clamour for it and we like softies always gave in (he had a special little bowl!).

But his allergic reaction just became too bad -- scabs and scars all over. Even lactose free special milk for cats didn't work any better (although festivaldeb is now contemplating something called 'hazelnut milk' :hmm: :confused: )

He looks at us in a really, really upset fashion when we refuse him his once-customary milk ... :(
 
We feel like cruel monsters atm, because Worf, our lovely white cat, has been banned since a few weeks ago (and permanently) from ever having milk, he used to clamour for it and we like softies always gave in (he had a special little bowl!).

But his allergic reaction just became too bad -- scabs and scars all over. Even lactose free special milk for cats didn't work any better (although festivaldeb is now contemplating something called 'hazelnut milk' :hmm: :confused: )

He looks at us in a really, really upset fashion when we refuse him his once-customary milk ... :(
CRI's post and this one has reminded me that this is why I always stopped my old cats from eating 'human' food - because one of my cats had a really serious allergic reaction to lots of food so could only eat a couple of types of dry food. I don't encourage eating our food but I've not been as strict as I used to be but perhaps I should start
 
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Really? I didn't know this, I don't like feeding ours dry food because it's really difficult to get them to drink water (they'll only drink from a pint glass and they prefer ours to the cat designated one).... But the vet's always recommending it for their teeth.
It's one of those things that "makes sense" at first glance, but when you think about it, eating hard, crunchy food doesn't make human teeth any cleaner. I think some chew treats/toys might help scrape of gunge on dogs' teeth, but they often still need brushing. If they have a good diet and are generally fit, I think their teeth should be fine. If they get cruddy, the vet just has to scrape them.

I never cease to be amazed how many vets give really shit advice on animal nutrition. Sometimes I just have to bite my tongue when someone says, "Oh, our vet said it was best just to keep her on dry food only," or when they recommend those really expensive but full of undigestible crap brands they get kick backs to promote. I know there are good vets - got a great one for the pigs who does know his stuff, but so many of them are absolute sharks and quacks. (Sorry - starting to rant again!)
 
My last pair of cats lived until they were 20 with no illnesses whatsover on one of those expensive dry foods so I'm not convinced that they're cat killers
 
It's one of those things that "makes sense" at first glance, but when you think about it, eating hard, crunchy food doesn't make human teeth any cleaner. I think some chew treats/toys might help scrape of gunge on dogs' teeth, but they often still need brushing. If they have a good diet and are generally fit, I think their teeth should be fine. If they get cruddy, the vet just has to scrape them.

I never cease to be amazed how many vets give really shit advice on animal nutrition. Sometimes I just have to bite my tongue when someone says, "Oh, our vet said it was best just to keep her on dry food only," or when they recommend those really expensive but full of undigestible crap brands they get kick backs to promote. I know there are good vets - got a great one for the pigs who does know his stuff, but so many of them are absolute sharks and quacks. (Sorry - starting to rant again!)

dunno about the teeth thing.

the mogs i lived with had a combination of canned and dry cat food. one supplemented this with free range mice, and his teeth were always in better condition than those of dopey cat (the one who as far as i know only caught a mouse once, and wanted to keep it as a pet)
 
Don't want to fan the flames but I have to say Schmetterling , when I saw your cats' menu (oats, veggies, tinned fish!), my reaction was very :eek:. Okay, I can see you thought the response from Epona was antagonistic, but really, it's coming from concern about the cats' welfare.

Breeze is "my" first cat since I was a kid (back then I knew jack shit and wasn't a responsible pet owner.) Being a "responsible" grown up, I thought I'd better find out stuff about cat health and nutrition, as I'd done with guinea pigs. I want my pets to be healthy, content and live as long and well as possible, mostly for their benefit, but also I don't want them to get sick, have expensive vet bills, be in pain or die early. Epona & others here were really helping me learn stuff and where to get good, not so expensive food. There's also good info on the internet (but also of course whackdoodle, far out stuff of course.)

Cats, dogs and small children will eat all sorts of things that aren't good for them, even are harmful to them, if you give it to them. Just because they eat it and "look" healthy enough doesn't mean it's okay to feed it to them. A lot of the food marketed at children is really unhealthy crap. Same goes for pet food but hey, it's up to us "responsible adult types," to make the choices here :)

Breeze, trying to eat a Pop Tart - definitely NOT a good idea!
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A human's intestine is about 6 times it's body length, designed to digest a mixed diet including vegetation and cereals. A cat's is only 3 times it's body length so food passes through the system quickly. It's not set up to digest complex carbohydrates like grains or vegetable matter. If you give cereals & plant matter (or food mostly made up of it), most of it will just pass through undigested without much in the way of nutrients being absorbed. The stuff will also irritate the intestinal lining, can cause constipation, vomiting and chronic painful bowel problems. You'll also be raking alot more and smellier shit out of the litterbox, (Breeze craps only every 2nd or 3rd day - not a bouquet of roses, but not as bad as any other cat's I've known!)

One of my neighbour's cat's was diagnosed with diabetes and the vet pretty well just told her it's daily injections for life, that's it. She looked into the diet thing, changed her to grain free/high meat and within a few months, she regained weight and hasn't needed insulin. (I've discovered alot of vets know very little about animal nutrition and/or care more about the hefty fees they get from Royal Canin and Hills to tout their products in surgeries :(. I knew most were crap on care of guinea pigs, but I didn't know this about cats and dogs . . . )

So, Breeze is on a grain free, high meat diet. She likes dry food (which actually makes no difference to the teeth, despite what alot of people think!) so she gets Thrive Complete dry (90% meat) or one of the other 70% plus meat dry foods. Being a Maine Coon, she likes to play in and drink water. Not all high meat wet foods are that expensive - HiLife and Feline Fayre are middling (about 50-60% meat) and often around 4 for a quid at Asda or B & M. It's important to check they are "complete" (with taurine & other nutrients added) rather than complementary (like Applaws/Encore.) Some of the really high meat ones are cheap online from ZooPlus or Pets at Home online, like Bozita and Natures Menu.

Right, I'll step off the soap box now.

Yes, that's me you see in the pet food aisle, clutching a tin, scrutinising the label and tutting loudly! :D

Good Morning!

What is your opinion on taurine not necessarily being listed on an ingredients list as it would naturally be contained in meat? Would you expect it to be listed?
 
We feel like cruel monsters atm, because Worf, our lovely white cat, has been banned since a few weeks ago (and permanently) from ever having milk, he used to clamour for it and we like softies always gave in (he had a special little bowl!).

But his allergic reaction just became too bad -- scabs and scars all over. Even lactose free special milk for cats didn't work any better (although festivaldeb is now contemplating something called 'hazelnut milk' :hmm: :confused: )

He looks at us in a really, really upset fashion when we refuse him his once-customary milk ... :(
Cats are NOT supposed to have milk. EVER.
 
Cats are such thickies they'll have anything, seen ours drinking stale water from next door's pond and it's even tried hoovering up paint. So giving them milk just cos they seem to "like" it makes no sense.
 
Bought our cat some James Wellbeloved dry food today, seems to have gone down extremely well. Hope she doesn't throw this stuff up. :hmm:
 
Idiot cat escaped today, ran under the fence into next door's garden and across their lawn. Sadly they have an algae-filled pond in the middle of the lawn, which he ran 'across'- into. I was immediately behind him, so I grabbed him, but not before he was covered in pond slime. I dunked him in a bath, and cleaned him up, and the poor thing looked so scrawny without all his fluff! He is now clean and dry, but not talking to me....
 
Idiot cat escaped today, ran under the fence into next door's garden and across their lawn. Sadly they have an algae-filled pond in the middle of the lawn, which he ran 'across'- into. I was immediately behind him, so I grabbed him, but not before he was covered in pond slime. I dunked him in a bath, and cleaned him up, and the poor thing looked so scrawny without all his fluff! He is now clean and dry, but not talking to me....

We had to give ours a bath once after the silly sod got herself covered in car oil. She was not at all impressed with us. :D
 
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Bought our cat some James Wellbeloved dry food today, seems to have gone down extremely well. Hope she doesn't throw this stuff up. :hmm:
It's whatmy friend feeds her Burmese - he gets no wet food afaik. Mine are thrilled to have supermarket own brand again instead of Royal Canin :rolleyes:
 
It's whatmy friend feeds her Burmese - he gets no wet food afaik. Mine are thrilled to have supermarket own brand again instead of Royal Canin :rolleyes:

Usually she has Applaws dry to complement the co-op own brand pouches that we feed her but we hadn't bought some for ages and we saw some in the garden centre today so thought we'd give it a try.
 
Hilli , as a kitten, had a digestive disorder, and apart from regular doses the feline equivalent of immodium (can't remember the exact name!) was fed one of the Hills scientific dried foods. Anything else, and she was either sick or had the runs or both. We still have to keep both eyes on her diet, although she does get a variety.
I once knew a queen and her kittens that were partial to boiled rice and veg (peas) - cooked unsalted btw. They visited me quite often.
 
Good Morning!

What is your opinion on taurine not necessarily being listed on an ingredients list as it would naturally be contained in meat? Would you expect it to be listed?
From what I understand, taurine isn't in all meat, but comes from stuff like the bone marrow and bits you wouldn't get in say a a boned bit of chicken or tin of tuna. I think the idea is to try and achieve the approximate nutritional composition of a dead mouse. Grinding up actual dead mice would do the trick, but would be a tad unpleasant.
 
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