WTC 911 2020 - 19 years on.
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dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Millions dead and trillions spent. Most had nothing to do with 9/11.
Yup, but at least there’s positive signs now, moving in the right (peaceful) direction.
US mourns 9/11 dead, Trump tries to end ‘forever wars’
Nearly 20 years of war has led to the deaths and injury of an estimated 300,000 Iraqi and Afghan people.
SpineyNorman
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Can't think of any reason why anyone would doubt trump on that one.
You dog's face wearing sex case.
You dog's face wearing sex case.
FridgeMagnet
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There has been a tendency to underplay just how batshit America went after 9-11. I mean the war is the obvious example but that couldn't have happened without the batshit. People are even rationalising the Bush regime, which was way worse and more extreme than Trump, and directly responsible for the worst that we see now. The DHS didn't exist before that; when it was created the suggestion was that it would only exist as long as it was necessary for the War On Terror, and others said that the War On Terror would continue indefinitely, and guess what. There was no TSA, which people seem to just treat as one of those things that has always existed, now. And so on. Not saying that things weren't batshit before but it was absolutely an escalation of the batshittery, and look where we are today.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The TSA was probably one of the more rational responses, regardless of how effective it has been. Sure, over here we would probably implement airport security improvement in a different fashion, but they do like their agencies e.g. ATF etc..
I surely hope not to sound flippant and disrespectful to those who died that day and who have suffered since, but what their intelligence service were up to for decades, and their foreign policy objectives, it had to happen some time or another. Fuck if it wasn’t the most absorbing piece of live news footage ever witnessed and for all the wrong reasons (obviously). That and OJ Simpson in his white Bronco of course.
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The Falling Man | Esquire | SEPTEMBER 2003
Do you remember this photograph? In the United States, people have taken pains to banish it from the record of September 11, 2001. The story behind it, though, and the search for the man pictured in it, are our most intimate connection to the horror of that day.
classic.esquire.com
Might have pinched this from another thread.
only Israel (2nd hand info) Saudi Arabia and Australia (1st hand) just as bad to swing through their airports as ours. Hateful people on borderforce. Australia has right to access any electronic device you have, and did so with mine. Cunts. Let me keep my valiums tho.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I don't agree tbh. You can't separate the idea that security needs to be increased from the effectiveness of measures to do so, and the TSA is shit on the latter point, and mostly just a money train to contractors and security manufacturers. Just like a lot of other post 911 agencies really. It also served to reify and justify a general level of mistrust and fear of foreigners - even as a white English speaking guy in 2002 this was pretty obvious.
The TSA used to be controversial even within the Republican Party, just like the DHS (which it is part of) but now voters can be younger than it, it's just one of those things that has always existed.
I watched a recording of the live news on CNN last year and it's still really disturbing. the announcers reactions as it actually happened going from trying to work out what was going on into barely managing not to cry.
I was channel hopping me Nan’s rigged cable and wireless whilst suspended from school, got to CNN (channel 40 odd) at about 1:50 pm and have been somewhat tragically obsessed with it ever since.
It is crazy how it's kind of something that people don't really talk about anymore. The five or so years after the attacks were really like a military dictatorship had taken over the USA
I watched it on BBC news I think. I was playing some boring computer game and my brother ran into my room and dragged me downstairs and we saw the second plane hit and the collapse live.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It happened one week to the day after we returned from our first trip to Florida, so if it had happened a week earlier the Q's would have been caught up in it. It was one of those 'you can remember where you were' events. I was at work when one of the guys (an American) said his wife had just rung to say a plane had crashed into one of th Twin Towers. I assumed by plane they meant light aircraft and thought nothing of it until I went to the break room to get a coffee and saw the TV and thought WTF?
Geri
wasn't born to follow
I was at work when it happened. There was no internet access or a TV, so I listened to coverage on the radio. I wasn't familiar with the New York skyline so I couldn't envisage the towers or how big they were (althugh strangely, and I only noticed this afterwards, there was a photograph of them on the mantlepiece in our office - the colleague I shared my office with had gone there a few years befor
I cycled home in a bit of a daze and there was certainly a very weird atmosphere, even in Bristol.
I was slightly worried about a friend who was on holiday in the US at the time (not in NY thankfully) who had gone there on a fake passport. A few days later I found out that a girl I knew from another forum was also there and had actually arranged to meet someone for lunch in one of the towers that day. She had set off from her hotel and was stopped somewhere along the way.
I cycled home in a bit of a daze and there was certainly a very weird atmosphere, even in Bristol.
I was slightly worried about a friend who was on holiday in the US at the time (not in NY thankfully) who had gone there on a fake passport. A few days later I found out that a girl I knew from another forum was also there and had actually arranged to meet someone for lunch in one of the towers that day. She had set off from her hotel and was stopped somewhere along the way.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Hang on, what's this? You mean he diverted it to other stuff, or he just pocketed it (which is quite likely, knowing him)?
I was in a cafe in Belfast, and someone walked in to say that a plane had hit the world trade centre in New York . . .
The next place I went into, the girl at the till said "that's a terrible thing that's happened in New York".
Finally, I arrived at the office to find all my colleagues gathered round the radio, with very grim looks on their faces. . .
Later that evening, one of my English housemates said "bloody hell mate, you don't think they'll bring back the call-up do you". . .
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
I was driving home from a weekend in Wales and I stopped at Stonehenge to look at the stones. Then I got back into the car and drove to Woodhenge to walk around there. I was deep into bucolic relaxation. When I got back into the car I turned on the radio and heard the news. It simply didn’t register. I was hearing it as it happened, and driving, and not clocking it at all. Not consciously anyway.
Although I’d never done it before on returning to London on that road, that day I decided to drop in on my sister as I pased through her part of town. She greeted me at the door in a state of wide eyed panic. She thought I had come to tell her that family who live in NY had been caught up in it. I still didn’t understand what had happened. I went into the kitchen but she told me to look at the telly.
The instant I saw it I realised that the world had changed. And I felt dreadful that I’d scared my sister so badly. “I was thinking that if you were coming to my door, it must really bad...” I sat down and felt faint. I was relieved that I’d not registered it properly while I was driving, although I can recall that drive in exact detail even now, so I must have been cranked on adrenaline.
Later we learned that my brother had been on the Subway when the towers collapsed, and trapped for hours in the murky dark without knowing what had happened.
My Dad lived over there and I had a horrible fight with him on the phone about the war. He said some things that really shocked me, and so did other American friends and family. Having been back to the USA at least once a year throughout my life, I didn’t visit America for about five years after that. And when I did go back I was really sad to see how it had affected the mood and attitude of Americans. I’ve never really felt comfortable there since.
Although I’d never done it before on returning to London on that road, that day I decided to drop in on my sister as I pased through her part of town. She greeted me at the door in a state of wide eyed panic. She thought I had come to tell her that family who live in NY had been caught up in it. I still didn’t understand what had happened. I went into the kitchen but she told me to look at the telly.
The instant I saw it I realised that the world had changed. And I felt dreadful that I’d scared my sister so badly. “I was thinking that if you were coming to my door, it must really bad...” I sat down and felt faint. I was relieved that I’d not registered it properly while I was driving, although I can recall that drive in exact detail even now, so I must have been cranked on adrenaline.
Later we learned that my brother had been on the Subway when the towers collapsed, and trapped for hours in the murky dark without knowing what had happened.
My Dad lived over there and I had a horrible fight with him on the phone about the war. He said some things that really shocked me, and so did other American friends and family. Having been back to the USA at least once a year throughout my life, I didn’t visit America for about five years after that. And when I did go back I was really sad to see how it had affected the mood and attitude of Americans. I’ve never really felt comfortable there since.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The funny thing (to me anyway) is that I don't remember the jumpers at all.
(and to make clear, going by past experience of what happened the last time I said this, I don't mean there were no jumpers, just that I somehow missed them at the time).
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
On the phone that night to a friend of mine - "let's hope it's just some American crazies", she said. Didn't turn out that way.
Asking my sister how my eldest niece was taking it (she was five at the time) - "I don't think she understands". Bloody hell, I hope not.
Asking my sister how my eldest niece was taking it (she was five at the time) - "I don't think she understands". Bloody hell, I hope not.
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
but this is my fucking problem: i (and w mwas saying the same things
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The following evening I was out with some people from the Queen's Unversity Sci-fi society.
One of them had his muslim cousin from Texas over. He tried to chat up this girl in one of the taxi firms on Botanic avenue. Her response: "look son, you're nice, but your friends are too weird".
Anyway, the point of this story, is that I heard my first conspiracy theory from this lad, less than 48 hours after the event - a story of Feds moving into computer servers to install "v-chips" on them, whatever they were.
When do you remember conspiraloonery rearing its ugly head?
One of them had his muslim cousin from Texas over. He tried to chat up this girl in one of the taxi firms on Botanic avenue. Her response: "look son, you're nice, but your friends are too weird".
Anyway, the point of this story, is that I heard my first conspiracy theory from this lad, less than 48 hours after the event - a story of Feds moving into computer servers to install "v-chips" on them, whatever they were.
When do you remember conspiraloonery rearing its ugly head?
Probably Fahrenheit 911 by Michael Moore.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
He got money from stimulus rebuilding funds, though to be fair loads of other rich cunts did.
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