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Witness Appeal: Serious Assault, Oxford Street Mar 9th

stephj said:
So, according to Stoatie...

Cyclists are bad
Taxi drivers are good
Stoatie's working class so therefore knows some taxi drivers

Erm, any other slightly random points we can glean?
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My point is that people on here very keen to just automatically assume that this Taxi driver is at fault.

If the thread had been about a Taxi driver being charged with assualt by a cyclist and proclaiming his innocence do you honestly think people would have been just as happy to take his account as the true one ?

I drive on central London roads every day. And invariably the majority of behaviour that I see on them that could be construed as cuntish comes from cyclists. Taxi drivers have to work bloody hard to get their licence and are subject to all sorts of offical scrutiny to keep them.

Do you honestly think one would just risk this all to just attack a cyclist who drove into the back of him ?

Now if he did, without any provocation, then he deserves to lose his license and go to Prison but lets just not assume that he is guilty because a cyclist said so, even if that cyclists happens to be friends with somebody on here.
 
Stoat Boy said:
From what I have read this is all about the CPS deciding to charge him. Which means that they must be confident of getting a conviction.

Still its a London Taxi Driver who has had to study for years to get his licence, has to have his taxi insured and kept in a mechanaically good state and who has to be vetted by the Police so its automatic that he is the bad guy in all of this.
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It's thinking (I use the term loosely) like that that allowed Worbuoys to rape over and over again.

Five police officers have been disciplined over an inquiry into sex assault claims against a taxi driver.

John Worboys was jailed indefinitely in 2009 for raping one woman and attacking others in his London black cab. He is thought to have assaulted 100 women.

...

The police report of one attack stated: "The victim cannot remember anything past getting in the cab, it would seem unlikely that a cab driver would have alcohol in his vehicle let alone drug substances."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8469138.stm
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A defendant who is using social media to locate independent witnesses is extremely unlikely to be lying about what happened.
 
Stoat Boy said:
WTF ?
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If you're going to be lying in court, you will probably not be inviting unknown witnesses to come forward who can testify that you're lying. This isn't a piss-about whinge on a message board, it's a concerted effort to get the appeal out via some very big networking sites. You'd be fucking stupid to do that if you were guilty and intended to plead innocent in a "his word against mine" sort of situation.
 
ymu said:
If you're going to be lying in court, you will probably not be inviting unknown witnesses to come forward who can testify that you're lying. This isn't a piss-about whinge on a message board, it's a concerted effort to get the appeal out via some very big networking sites. You'd be fucking stupid to do that if you were guilty and intended to plead innocent in a "his word against mine" sort of situation.
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But it obviously aint a 'his word against mine' situation. There is a witness who must back up the Taxi drivers word to enough of an extent for it to be believable..

And this is my point. Why the hell would the CPS be bringing a charge ? Or are we to believe that this cyclist has been left with visable injuries and the Taxi driver with none and yet the cyclist is the one on a charge ?

Personally I would argue that its possible to use these social networking sites to create a perception of innocence with the hope of creating enough doubt to get the case thrown out.

Also is this not a incidence of prejudicing a case ? Appealling for witnesses to an incident then fair enough but chucking mud about at the same time as well with regards to the accusations of racism strikes me as not being quite kosher.
 
And if I am going to get a right hander out of this lets at least make it worth while.

Your mates story STINKS.

Are we really meant to believe that the Police turn up and find him unconcious on the floor and then arrest him and charge him with assault on a Taxi driver who has not got a mark on him ?

And the CPS are willing to bring this to court on the basis of a single witness who might have seen a punch being thrown but not connecting ?

Its bullshit. Pure and simple bullshit. Sounds to me like your mate bit off a bit mroe than he could chew with this taxi driver and is trying to get some publicity out of it for his new 'writing' career.
 
yeah it is bullshit. hopefully it'll get thrown out of court.
the cop must have been in cahoots with the taxi driver - fat white middle-aged men tend to back each other up
 
Not to side with Stoat Boy, but there really must be a lot more to this than the OP states - on what has been presented as the prosecution case here there is clearly no realistic prospect of a conviction (the relevant part of the CPS threshold test to determine a charge), especially without decent witness evidence (ie: "I saw X hit Y"), with a credible alternative (ie Jared's allegation which is backed up by medical evidence) and with no CCTV (especially given, as has been stated, that Oxford Street probably has 100% CCTV coverage).
 
i don't think he's holding anything back. why would he?
it all squares with what he told me on the day of the incident.
he was as surprised to hear the CPS were prosecuting him as anyone would be.
 
Orang Utan said:
i don't think he's holding anything back. why would he?
it all squares with what he told me on the day of the incident.
he was as surprised to hear the CPS were prosecuting him as anyone would be.
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Thats what I mean, there must be more to the prosecution case than he thinks there is. Has he seen the evidence against him yet?
 
i'm not sure. he had a court appearance yesterday but that was just to arrange the date.
plenty of sketchy CPS prosecutions have been brought to court pointlessly - remember el jefe's brush with the law. a malicious police officer tried to get him done for attempted murder iirc. the case was thrown out but only when it reached the court, so he wasn't spared months of agonising waiting and worrying.
 
agricola said:
Thats what I mean, there must be more to the prosecution case than he thinks there is. Has he seen the evidence against him yet?
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Looks a bit Asian and name sounds a bit foreign. That's plenty, surely. :confused:
 
If I got knocked off my bike by some numpty in a car my first reaction probably would be to assault them. However, why would the CPS expect me to be all calm and collected when somebody has all but attempted to murder me?
 
Stoat Boy said:
And if I am going to get a right hander out of this lets at least make it worth while.

Your mates story STINKS.

Are we really meant to believe that the Police turn up and find him unconcious on the floor and then arrest him and charge him with assault on a Taxi driver who has not got a mark on him ?

And the CPS are willing to bring this to court on the basis of a single witness who might have seen a punch being thrown but not connecting ?

Its bullshit. Pure and simple bullshit. Sounds to me like your mate bit off a bit mroe than he could chew with this taxi driver and is trying to get some publicity out of it for his new 'writing' career.
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You clearly live in a completely different universe. Personally I have no opinion on the rights and wrongs of the incident not being a witness myself. However the story as told is perfectly consistent with my experiences of the police and the CPS dealing with incidents involving cyclists or motor cyclists and any form of professional driver. Whether it's a taxi driver, bus driver or a van driver, if you were on two wheels you will need several good witnesses and almost certainly the input of a solicitor right from the off. Otherwise the police will believe everything the driver says, believe nothing you say, and no charges will be brought unless you force the CPS to act.

Too many people in the police and the CPS have precisely the same ignorant attitudes that you are displaying on this thread, and will immediately assume that any professional driver is the very epitome of probity and that anyone riding on two wheels is probably up to no good. In my experience this attitude can go as far as refusing to interview witnesses, accepting a van driver changing his evidence from "I was there but didn't notice a cyclist" to "I was nowhere near the incident" and still believing it, and in the worst case arranging with the victim of an assault (me) to turn up in twenty minutes and instead only the assailant (a taxi driver) arrived and made threats whilst the police were still not in evidence an hour later.

Life on the roads looks very different on two wheels. Which is why I don't believe that all cyclists are angels, but I know damn well that anyone claiming, as you do, that the police and CPS are even handed in their dealings with road users is living in cloud cuckoo land. The police are people. They show the same range of prejudices as people in general do. They are as likely to start from a Jeremy Clarkson style (kill all cyclists) attitude as are the population as a whole. Fortunately many are trained to do far better than that, but it's by no means all, and in my opinion the CPS still have many of the problems with bigotry and prejudice that the Met used to have a couple of decades back.
 
Stoat Boy said:
I like to think it comes naturally.

But why are people so keen to assume that this cyclist is telling the truth ? Thats the bit I am failing to understand. Perhaps its because I am a working class londoner and know a few Taxi drivers that I tend to believe that there is more to this story than meets the eye but I accept that this is also probably down to a prejudice I have about cyclists in general.

Whats your excuse ?
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I don't need an excuse, calling a cunt a cunt is perfectly normal and is a natural and healthy response to coming across pig-ignorant, right-wing, tory, tossers.
 
Just seen a black cab driver get told to watch his language, sort out his attitude and get back in his cab by a policeman with a machine gun down at King's Cross. The ignorant cabbie had been standing in the middle of the road chatting to his mate and a cyclist had to swerve round the fat cunt to avoid an accident. The cabbie then told him to watch where the fuck he was going at which point the good officer of the law stepped in. Very funny.
 
I'm so sorry for your mate and not at all surprised at how it's panned out having had some experience of taking someone to court as the injured party in a traffic accident (I was on a motorbike and did win the case - but only just despite having several independent witnesses including a barrister). I really hope he gets it sorted...
 
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