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I think there's a place on a news website for the kind of column Chiles writes, which is so banal it's practically an art form. Nepotism aside, there's so much worse on there. Why does Polly Toynbee get to spout her predictable and insightful recycled material until her death bed?
Particularly terrible article in the last couple of days from her explaining how Starmer is right to attack socialists (excepting her of course).
I'll raise a glass when she shuffles off this coil.
 
I‘ve kind of got a soft spot for the everyday banality of Chiles. That some kind of lumpen ordinary bloke gets to do what he does rather than a smug cunt from the dinner party set.
(anticipating butchers or someone will be along in a minute to point out he’s private school, PPE at oxbridge and the son of a baron or something)
 
Good thing he only went to the University of London, then, assuming that this doesn't take away his qualifications to be a lumpen ordinary bloke. Just think -- had he done PPE at Oxford (no such option at Cambridge), he'd have been damned as a dullard, but with his credentials in order, he can be safely dreary.
 
What the fuck is this, claiming on anecdotal evidence that 'Gen Z' are less prepared for technology in the office than Millenials? ‘Scanners are complicated’: why Gen Z faces workplace ‘tech shame’

The main evidence is that they don't like printers and scanners. Nobody has ever liked printers and scanners in the office. All he's describing is young people coming into the workforce, and discovering like everyone before them that printers and scanners are complex and often shitty bits of tech.
 
What the fuck is this, claiming on anecdotal evidence that 'Gen Z' are less prepared for technology in the office than Millenials? ‘Scanners are complicated’: why Gen Z faces workplace ‘tech shame’

The main evidence is that they don't like printers and scanners. Nobody has ever liked printers and scanners in the office. All he's describing is young people coming into the workforce, and discovering like everyone before them that printers and scanners are complex and often shitty bits of tech.
Oi, I put this on the other thread to make people feel better about being old. :mad:
 
I‘ve kind of got a soft spot for the everyday banality of Chiles. That some kind of lumpen ordinary bloke gets to do what he does rather than a smug cunt from the dinner party set.
(anticipating butchers or someone will be along in a minute to point out he’s private school, PPE at oxbridge and the son of a baron or something)

No. Why not have someone ordinary who can write something interesting instead of his offensively banal dross.
 
Grauniad meet Beeb thread...

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The ‘how dare you invoke the Holocaust’, is particularly mendacious in response to Linekar as that’s not what he even did. And yes, it’s shit.

If you really want to upset yourself, check out the explosion of far right content (back) on YouTube, including the ‘stop the boats’/‘don’t house immigrants in hotels’ protests. We have brownshirts all over the country freely intimidating people and freely sharing their actions on mainstream social media sites. The 1930s comparison is correct, and the former crisp salesman has every right to make it.

Of course the likes of Mr Rodent (wonder if he posts here) don’t like Jews very much, and this is obvious to anyone outside of the niche, if multi-factional, bunch of nobs that were running the Labour Party until early 2020, and are an absolute gift to actual Zionists/Tories/etc.

I know my third paragraph/point doesn’t bother you (well it bothers you that I’m making it, it doesn’t bother you that your politics are helping the enemy) because your righteous anger about ‘respecting people’s identities’ and ‘standing up for the marginalised’ isn’t genuine, it’s a coping strategy to manage your distress and to steal attention and solidarity from those who are far more marginalised that you, me, or anyone else who posts here.
 
The ‘how dare you invoke the Holocaust’, is particularly mendacious in response to Linekar as that’s not what he even did. And yes, it’s shit.

If you really want to upset yourself, check out the explosion of far right content (back) on YouTube, including the ‘stop the boats’/‘don’t house immigrants in hotels’ protests. We have brownshirts all over the country freely intimidating people and freely sharing their actions on mainstream social media sites. The 1930s comparison is correct, and the former crisp salesman has every right to make it.

Of course the likes of Mr Rodent (wonder if he posts here) don’t like Jews very much, and this is obvious to anyone outside of the niche, if multi-factional, bunch of nobs that were running the Labour Party until early 2020, and are an absolute gift to actual Zionists/Tories/etc.

I know my third paragraph/point doesn’t bother you (well it bothers you that I’m making it, it doesn’t bother you that your politics are helping the enemy) because your righteous anger about ‘respecting people’s identities’ and ‘standing up for the marginalised’ isn’t genuine, it’s a coping strategy to manage your distress and to steal attention and solidarity from those who are far more marginalised that you, me, or anyone else who posts here.
You have lost me utterly tbh :confused:

I don't really know anything about this twitter account as I'm not on twitter, just look in occasionally, although I seemed to recall this one being reasonably sound, and well, this particular comment certainly summed up the Grauniad article.

I won't condone any anti-semitic stuff if they've made it though. And given that I have pointed out anti-semitism on the left, including criticising Corbyn over that dreadful painting, and that I'm not even a Labour voter, I don't know what you are getting at.

I've already posted elsewhere on the appalling rhetoric being used by the government, and more than aware of what is happening, not just now. And having a Polish grandad, and knowing some of the horrors he experienced, I'm more than conscious of history also.

I think people here that know me offline, know my posts are open and honest, and as I've been politically active over the years, my anger of many injustices genuine. So, I've really no idea what you're saying here at all.
 
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The ‘how dare you invoke the Holocaust’, is particularly mendacious in response to Linekar as that’s not what he even did. And yes, it’s shit.

If you really want to upset yourself, check out the explosion of far right content (back) on YouTube, including the ‘stop the boats’/‘don’t house immigrants in hotels’ protests. We have brownshirts all over the country freely intimidating people and freely sharing their actions on mainstream social media sites. The 1930s comparison is correct, and the former crisp salesman has every right to make it.

Of course the likes of Mr Rodent (wonder if he posts here) don’t like Jews very much, and this is obvious to anyone outside of the niche, if multi-factional, bunch of nobs that were running the Labour Party until early 2020, and are an absolute gift to actual Zionists/Tories/etc.

I know my third paragraph/point doesn’t bother you (well it bothers you that I’m making it, it doesn’t bother you that your politics are helping the enemy) because your righteous anger about ‘respecting people’s identities’ and ‘standing up for the marginalised’ isn’t genuine, it’s a coping strategy to manage your distress and to steal attention and solidarity from those who are far more marginalised that you, me, or anyone else who posts here.
Don’t attack the decent people here ffs.
 

NovaraxGuardian collab:

"This is just one of a series of drastic U-turns I’ve made in recent months that have significantly undercut my previous conception of what sort of person I am. I’ve gone from seven years of declaring that I would never get on a bike in London, to being an annoying cycling evangelist.


I finally moved to an area of the city that I had circled for ages but said I would never live in, for fear of being a cultural punchline. I got the tattoos I promised my mother I wouldn’t. I DJ. On dates with men who work in policy (new), I fiddle with silly little rings on my fingers (also new) while nursing a fresh lime and soda – which I historically labelled “disgusting” – because I don’t really drink alcohol now, and the taste is refreshing, actually. I woke up one day and started eating peanut butter. And nuts in general. Also tomatoes. I’m having a fringe cut in. All my “nevers” have fallen by the wayside.

These superficial changes, minor as they seem, represent the dissolution of certainties I had built my - supposedly – unique selfhood on. We define ourselves as much by what we are not as by what we are – at least I did. I’m not the sort of person who would go here, suit this, enjoy that. Except now it appears I am."


errrr.....i think it's just called getting out of your mid 20's, and moving on with things a bit... :hmm::thumbs:
 
hah thats a cracker - middle class angst in full display... on the burden of becoming a fully fledged guardian columnist
this the punchline
"In retrospect, I realise, I had been unconsciously devoting a large amount of energy to negative choice, a concept I’m borrowing and adapting from sociologist Eva Illouz’s 2019 treatise, The End of Love (by way of a viral Paris Review essay). In the book, Illouz examines at length ...."
:D
 
I always knew George Monbiot was a fucking idiot, but seriously? "I once admired Russell Brand"?

I think it's more important he's at least calling this dangerous fool out. Brand seems to think, in a conversaion with fucking Steven Crowder, that the only hope politically lies within the "alternative right".
 
I think it's more important he's at least calling this dangerous fool out. Brand seems to think, in a conversaion with fucking Steven Crowder, that the only hope politically lies within the "alternative right".
No-one who's paid the slightest attention to Brand's career (I generally avoid him, but I'm aware of him) would be surprised by anything in there. I used to excuse him for having had a horrible, horrible childhood but he's rich enough to afford some therapy now so no excuses for his lunacy.
 
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I always knew George Monbiot was a fucking idiot, but seriously? "I once admired Russell Brand"?


Was wondering where to post that article, could go in a few threads; anti-vax loons, alt right, etc.

There was a brief period when Brand was making some of the 'right noises' politically and was managing to connect with a bunch of people outside the small left activist scene, so some people did find this was interesting and exciting. IIRC there was a bit of a tussle between that and some people saying he was too much of a horrible character (misogyny etc.) to ever listen to, was a bit of a classic identity politics row at the time it seemed.

Anyway, good Brand is now being exposed like this, Monbiot's article is good I think, Brand is absolute fucking poison.
 
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