Why the Guardian is going down the pan!
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
That review is balls. It's a decent but flawed film and the music's ace, unless you're the sort of weirdo who doesn't like blues andclassic RnB 
The cultural approptiation claim is irritating. As I understand it, cultural appropriation is a kind of plagiarism, stealing ideas, forms and symbols from another culture or ethnicity and dishonestly passing them off as your own, without giving credit or acknowledgement to those whose ideas (in this case music) you're using. This film does not do that. In fact, the stars of the film are none other than people like Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Cab Calloway and others too many to list here. "But the Blues Brothers are white!!!" So is some of the band, these were all top musicians in their own right and were the house session musicians for the Stax record label in its soul-RnB heyday. It's as if the reviewer is keen to go down the IDpol rabbit hole of white people shouldn't play blues and black people shouldn't play country... ending up with full neo-segregationism.
That said, the film does indeed carry the racism of the film studios, in not using black actors in lead roles - which was even more a rarity than it is now. There's also more than a hint of the "white saviour" trope in there. The plot is weak, some of the gags fall flat and what's with the Carrie Fisher plot line?
As for driving a car through an anti-fascist rally.... the reviewer is clearly a dick who didn't know what he was watching... or possibly thinks fash or anti fash have some equivalence, the dick.
Fuck the Guardian, again
The cultural approptiation claim is irritating. As I understand it, cultural appropriation is a kind of plagiarism, stealing ideas, forms and symbols from another culture or ethnicity and dishonestly passing them off as your own, without giving credit or acknowledgement to those whose ideas (in this case music) you're using. This film does not do that. In fact, the stars of the film are none other than people like Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Cab Calloway and others too many to list here. "But the Blues Brothers are white!!!" So is some of the band, these were all top musicians in their own right and were the house session musicians for the Stax record label in its soul-RnB heyday. It's as if the reviewer is keen to go down the IDpol rabbit hole of white people shouldn't play blues and black people shouldn't play country... ending up with full neo-segregationism.
That said, the film does indeed carry the racism of the film studios, in not using black actors in lead roles - which was even more a rarity than it is now. There's also more than a hint of the "white saviour" trope in there. The plot is weak, some of the gags fall flat and what's with the Carrie Fisher plot line?
As for driving a car through an anti-fascist rally.... the reviewer is clearly a dick who didn't know what he was watching... or possibly thinks fash or anti fash have some equivalence, the dick.
Fuck the Guardian, again
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Just re-watched the film, because it's there on Netflix, and had a scan of the review. It's just lazy shite, really. A puff piece from an author too half arsed to try and apply a critical analysis to anything more contemporary, offensive or relevant so instead throwing out some nonsense about an '80s film. Reminds me a bit of the people who try to derive all their politics from Harry Potter and who'll break their backs to give it relevance to any given situation (as JK Rowling seems to). It's not a contribution to the cultural discussion, it's just a way of feigning relevance without actually having to stretch yourself. Similar, in a way, to the TV channels reacting to the BLM movement by pulling old episodes of The Mighty Boosh or whatever - sure, there may be something to be said there, but let's face it they only did it because it was an easy way to show how concerned they were with racism without bothering to challenge or change anything meaningful.
Bah humbug.
Bah humbug.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Certainly got some hateclicks outta y'all though
YouSir
Retired from Urban
All most of the media has left, so let them enjoy it.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
I haven't seen it in years, but I have to agree, it was the real deal and the genuine article. Also Carrie Fisher's greatest role.
Some idiot might make the cultural appropriation argument, but bringing back Cab Calloway and allowing him to give it the full 1930s big band treatment was the work of people were seriously trying to honour the cultural genres they were showcasing - which is also why they included Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
They would really have to be an idiot with no knowledge of soul music.
Look at the house bands of Motown or Stax/Atlantic. Half of those dudes were white. Check out the Funk Brothers documentary.
Colour didn't matter to the artists and producers back then as they were laying down hundreds of fantastic tracks.
So why should it matter to some public schoolboy arsehole white journalist from the Guardian?
In fact a couple or three of the Stax house band are in the Blues Brothers Band. Culturally appropriating from themselves - the swines!
It really should have been ten.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
'What we've learned about Starmer is, if you pick a fight with him, you'll lose' | Keir Starmer | The Guardian
The Labour leader’s ruthless dismissal of Corbynite Rebecca Long-Bailey was a defining moment for his leadership
Ooh isn't he manly.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Cottagecore? WTAF?
www.theguardian.com
“As we emerge from lockdown, men are embracing cottagecore as a means to convey a more romanticised ideal of masculinity,” says Andrew Groves, a professor of fashion design at the University of Westminster. Here, he says, Beckham has idealised the agricultural worker and reimagined himself “as the gamekeeper from Lady Chatterley’s Lover”.
David Beckham leads the way as men flock to 'cottagecore' look
Latest trend conveys ‘a more romanticised ideal of masculinity’, says fashion professor
“As we emerge from lockdown, men are embracing cottagecore as a means to convey a more romanticised ideal of masculinity,” says Andrew Groves, a professor of fashion design at the University of Westminster. Here, he says, Beckham has idealised the agricultural worker and reimagined himself “as the gamekeeper from Lady Chatterley’s Lover”.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Cottagecore? WTAF?
David Beckham leads the way as men flock to 'cottagecore' look
Latest trend conveys ‘a more romanticised ideal of masculinity’, says fashion professor
“As we emerge from lockdown, men are embracing cottagecore as a means to convey a more romanticised ideal of masculinity,” says Andrew Groves, a professor of fashion design at the University of Westminster. Here, he says, Beckham has idealised the agricultural worker and reimagined himself “as the gamekeeper from Lady Chatterley’s Lover”.
OMG.
I've missed 'gorpcore'. I feel I'll never catch up.
Bullets. We need bullets.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and guns. no good without guns.
Don’t know if this has been posted anywhere on here yet but quite interesting on the origins of The Guardian and under the current climate - should The Guardian now cancel itself?
www.dailymail.co.uk
That's not what they said in 1862! Guardian hypocrisy over BLM
The newspaper, which was then called the Manchester Guardian, sided with the Confederates in the US Civil War against the President, who wanted slavery abolished.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Yes, the Guardian is wank but you are a massive cunt. And can this twat get banned every time he links to the Daily Heil?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Pot calling kettle blackshirt
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Regardless of who's bringing the charge, the fact that The Guardian was founded on slavery money is an interesting one.
I wonder if they'll address it or carry on regardless.
If it was another large organisation they'd get minimum 100 articles and scathing polemics out of it
I wonder if they'll address it or carry on regardless.
If it was another large organisation they'd get minimum 100 articles and scathing polemics out of it
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
It gets better, thread on it here:
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Bet he is also a former Labour voter like his bro.
To think these 'journalists' get paid to dish up this shite.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
his brother, the working class property developer.
mauvais
on reddit or something
The money aside, the relationship with protest and change - strikers, go back to work - is a demonstration of anti-w/c liberalism/reformism that holds true for that paper today.
So it can't address it, other than on a specific historic incident basis, because it's still doing the same bit now.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
There's some right cunts out there.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Excuse me! I lost my virginity to a very nice person from Leigh
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