What do you think of Bob Dylan

[Orang Utan]

Interesting. Maybe the issue is that you don't appreciate how some people 'deliver' their novels. The novel is something you see as a certain form. Oral forms of reflection and storytelling predate books for example. Some authors/wordsmiths don't want to be a part of their work after they have written/thought it...others like KT do well to continue to be physically involved with it.

no, it's to do with reading vs listening - two very different activities. literature is surely about the written word?

 

[bluescreen]

no, it's to do with reading vs listening - two very different activities. literature is surely about the written word?

Etymologically it's to do with letters, yes, but I can see the Nobel prize for literature in the future being given to film makers or video games - anything with a creative linguistic input.

 

[bimble]

Nobody buys printed poetry anymore. Look at it, a tenner for a book the size of a takeaway menu.
Bob Dylan and Kate Tempest are poets who got on a stage to be heard because they had something to say.

 

[Sea Star]

Not possible to vote I'm afraid. It's more complicated than that.
I still think he's brilliant in his early days. Not necessarily for the reasons that are general thrown around. He was a great mimic and had a genius for deconstructing stuff that he wanted to copy, and then being able to make music that sounded absolutely authentic.
But hes a complete bullshitter, had a really bad attitude, and within a few years whatever he had turned to a nasty, fairly obvious piss take, to see what he could get away with, and he's been doing it ever since. I've gone right off him but I do still appreciate that he once had a fantastic talent.

 

[Orang Utan]

Nobody buys printed poetry anymore. Look at it, a tenner for a book the size of a takeaway menu.
Bob Dylan and Kate Tempest are poets who got on a stage to be heard because they had something to say.

I know I am probably on my own here. But that's when I stop paying attention. The second they open their mouth.
I WANT TO READ!
if you've got something important to say, write it down!

 

[moody]

Hendrix couldn't sing either but was soooo much better.

wtf!

 

[Treacle Toes]

no, it's to do with reading vs listening - two very different activities.

So you prefer reading to listening. Fair enough.

literature is surely about the written word?

What is deemed 'literary' is an important question? ...why not spoken/oral traditions too? I hate the way the 'value' judgement is imposed tbh.

 

[Orang Utan]

Hendrix couldn't sing either but was soooo much better.

wtf!

Yeah he was shite too. Fucking show off!

 

[Orang Utan]

So you prefer reading to listening. Fair enough.

What is deemed 'literary' is an important question? ...why not spoken/oral traditions too? I hate the way the 'value' judgement is imposed tbh.

I dunno but I think literature comes in the form of books

 

[Treacle Toes]

I know I am probably on my own here. But that's when I stop paying attention. The second they open their mouth.
I WANT TO READ!
if you've got something important to say, write it down!

You love music though. Do you only listen to instrumentals?

Come on...you like certain types of written material but you surely listen to and value others?

 

[belboid]

I know I am probably on my own here. But that's when I stop paying attention. The second they open their mouth.
I WANT TO READ!
if you've got something important to say, write it down!

So playwrights shouldn't be allowed to win then?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I dunno but I think literature comes in the form of books

My point is that the term 'literature' is a loaded one. It means more than simply 'written'. It implies a value judgement too.

 

[Orang Utan]

You love music though. do you only listen to instrumentals?

Come on...you like certain types of written material but you surely listen to and value others?

Pretty much yeah. Though I do like the voice as a musical instrument.

 

[Orang Utan]

So playwrights shouldn't be allowed to win then?

I didn't say that. It seems anyone can win.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Pretty much yeah. Though I do like the voice as a musical instrument.

You have, nor listen to, no artists or albums or whatnot that has lyrics?

 

[belboid]

I didn't say that. It seems anyone can win.

Anyone whose creativity is based upon innovative and idealistic use of language, yeah

 

[Orang Utan]

You have, nor listen to no artists or albums or whatnot that has lyrics?

Yeah, but I can't listen to the words. I have to read them.

 

[Sea Star]

is it literature though?
spoken word is really annoying until you can see it written down. only then does it make sense, esp song lyrics.

I think we've kind of had this discussion wrt audio books. I honestly think it's a personal thing for you. Lots of other people don't feel like this. I much prefer spoken word. Sometimes the printed word is an insurmountable barrier to me.

 

[Orang Utan]

Sometimes the printed word is an insurmountable barrier to me.

as long as you understand that the spoken word can be too

 

[trashpony]

When they had Jeremy Irons, Pam Ayres and Denis Lawson reading out his lyrics like they were poetry on PM this evening it was utterly cringeworthy

I can't imagine they'd scan much better written down

 

[Orang Utan]

A sixth form English teacher once read Jim Morrison's lyrics to us as poetry.

 

[Treacle Toes]

A sixth form English teacher once read Jim Morrison's lyrics to us as poetry.

PTSD. So sorry.

 

[Sea Star]

as long as you understand that the spoken word can be too

We're all different. So yes.

 

[Orang Utan]

Best Dylan song I've heard. Only two lines and he doesn't sing them.

 

[bimble]

Best Dylan song I've heard. Only two lines and he doesn't sing them.

that's not even him. You don't know your Dylan at all.
Those tired horses are ancient and magnificent.

 

[Orang Utan]

talentless fuck then, ain't he?

 

[bimble]

talentless fuck then, ain't he?

No. He's a really troubling character, he's a bit of a fraud , and he tried hard to usurp his idol Woody Guthrie whilst the man was lying helpless in his psychiatric hospital bed.
But still, credit where its due. If you've done a better poem than Bob do print it out and get a publishing contract.

 

[bluescreen]

I dunno but I think literature comes in the form of books

Same as music, really. The pattern's in the notes on the page. We can all imagine to ourselves what they'd sound like performed.

Nah, I'm not such a Dylan fan myself but I'm glad they've given this prize to a songwriter and widened it out from the page.

 

[Orang Utan]

If you've done a better poem than Bob do print it out and get a publishing contract.

that's really poor.

 

[Orang Utan]

Same as music, really. The pattern's in the notes on the page. We can all imagine to ourselves what they'd sound like performed.

Nah, I'm not such a Dylan fan myself but I'm glad they've given this prize to a songwriter and widened it out from the page.

there should be a music one if there isn't already