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What do you think happens after death?

What do you think happens after death?

  • Nothing. We just die.

    Votes: 126 77.8%
  • We get reincarnated.

    Votes: 5 3.1%
  • We go to heaven or hell.

    Votes: 4 2.5%
  • We become part of a wider consciousness.

    Votes: 20 12.3%
  • Other, if so, what?

    Votes: 7 4.3%

  • Total voters
    162
I am not here to psyche you out, or harm you in any way. But I am right, aren't I?

And look now. All these birds have vanished. Look. Really. I am there. Yep, it's weird and fucked up. Like I say I am not hurting you.
The world is bigger and better than your bitter plans. Please try harder to get this.

15 degrees to your right, small black bird with white speckled chest is looking at you.
 
No souls, no afterlife. When you die you become wormshit.

Reincarnation is load of crock as well. People have no memory of past lives, and you can tell that the people who claim that they do are lying, because they always claim to have been someone interesting in a previous life, rather than just Random Peasant #N. Notice how reincarnation has never contributed to our knowledge of past history, even though by all rights it absolutely should.

I think there are enough examples of evil people leading good lives and good people leading poor lives to conclusively destroy any notion the universe has a karmic aspect. In fact the notion of karma can be used to shore up social injustice and unearned privilege, after all if there's some form of natural justice in the universe, then all those rich and powerful folks "must" have somehow "earned" their blessed position in life.

Your best chance of being revived after being declared dead is the cryopreservation of your body (or at least your brain), and even then, it's a long shot with no guarantees. I don't think the vast majority of people produce enough data about themselves to have a copy of their ego reconstructed in the future. As such, any ancestor simulations of this period in the future are very unlikely to be have the granularity needed to accurately recreate the individual lives of most ordinary people living now.
 
It's probably ok for people to share their beliefs in what happens after death on a thread about what happens after death without suffering accusations of being a returning troll, even if they are a bit oddball. It's a thorny problem, and personally I'm glad some people have theories that help them deal with it, cause the void I'm anticipating isn't very comforting.

When a dear friend died recently, I found this bit of writing by Aaron Freeman (AKA Gene Ween of the band Ween, strangely - a band I've always ignored though I now mean to perhaps check them out) quite helpful. It isn't actually that much a conceptual leap to go from this stuff - based on solid scientific principles - to a belief that consciousness might possibly also carry on, or reconstitute itself or whatever. Not a leap I've made, but it's definitely more believable than the christian version. Anyway.

Aaron Freeman gives advice for planning your funeral:

You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every BTU of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her eyes, that those photons created within her constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.

And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. Amen.
 
It's probably ok for people to share their beliefs in what happens after death on a thread about what happens after death without suffering accusations of being a returning troll, even if they are a bit oddball.
looks like a troll to me, posting loads of rubbish on multiple threads

if i was a mod id have already banned
 
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If you think we all to turn to ash and nothing when we die - explain to me how I can summon the undead or unborn?
I don't want to. They are not always good experiences. But I can. I can name them.

Explain how meditation and thought transference works, because it does.
Explain how meditation can concentrate energy into communication with lifeforces that are real and here now.

I love you all with your eager doomscrolling but you need to pick up a better positive picture from all this.

Seems like a lot of people here need to ditch their lives and travel and be free. Either in this realm or internally. Death is not some bullshit religious thing.

You get another go on the roulette wheel. If you're lucky you might even remember your old mistakes.
Weird how you can take drugs that take you elswhere but dismiss the places once you have resolved yourselves.

Being flippant about your life-force is really offensive to me. Don't bother tripping if you don't have the decency to hold on to that feeling.

When you stayed for one too many full moon parties ?
 
It's probably ok for people to share their beliefs in what happens after death on a thread about what happens after death without suffering accusations of being a returning troll, even if they are a bit oddball. It's a thorny problem, and personally I'm glad some people have theories that help them deal with it, cause the void I'm anticipating isn't very comforting.

When a dear friend died recently, I found this bit of writing by Aaron Freeman (AKA Gene Ween of the band Ween, strangely - a band I've always ignored though I now mean to perhaps check them out) quite helpful. It isn't actually that much a conceptual leap to go from this stuff - based on solid scientific principles - to a belief that consciousness might possibly also carry on, or reconstitute itself or whatever. Not a leap I've made, but it's definitely more believable than the christian version. Anyway.

Aaron Freeman gives advice for planning your funeral:

You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every BTU of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her eyes, that those photons created within her constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.

And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. Amen.


That is actually nice.
 
Eehhhhh. Energy is just energy. We don't put our own personal stamp on every infra red photon that we emit as waste products of our biological functioning. All the atoms and molecules that join and leave the big chemical dance party we call our bodies and minds have no particular allegiance or identity to either of them. As far as we can tell, carbon atoms (for example) are all identical, regardless whether they're making up my bones, are buried in the ground or are floating free in the atmosphere. We are more than just the sum of our parts. We are also the arrangements and relationships between those parts. When we die, those arrangements and relationships all dissipate. Some, like other peoples' memories of you, might take longer than others to go away. But gone they will be, with sufficient time.

Claiming that people somehow "live on" because matter and energy is conserved is as ridiculous as claiming that a particular book "still exists" after it got pulped and turned into paper towels.
 
It is a constant cycle. We become akin to raffle tickets in the wind, and if we have led a good life and been nice and kind, we get another go.
Reincarnation is a thing, beyond doubt. Every kind thing we do in this life echoes and helps us be happy.
However if we are horrible and evil we get to turn stale, like a weed in a lovely garden.

Such things are apparent to us all in front of our eyes but we reject them. Which is sensible. The truth is so fucked up.

But we have "spirits" and we have "souls" and like energy itself, they do not ever die. They cannot.
lol, no.
 
It is a constant cycle. We become akin to raffle tickets in the wind, and if we have led a good life and been nice and kind, we get another go.
Reincarnation is a thing, beyond doubt. Every kind thing we do in this life echoes and helps us be happy.
However if we are horrible and evil we get to turn stale, like a weed in a lovely garden.

Such things are apparent to us all in front of our eyes but we reject them. Which is sensible. The truth is so fucked up.

But we have "spirits" and we have "souls" and like energy itself, they do not ever die. They cannot.
it seems to me that this falls foul of one obvious objection, namely that not everyone can get reincarnated.

executive summary: it's bollocks (hat tip to prunus)

let me explain.

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whereas before c.1900 a belief in reincarnation was perhaps possible i don't see how it can possibly be now, because either everyone has a shot at it or no one does. and the human population isn't going to keep climbing and climbing. unless you're going to make the claim that there have been a lot of very good cockroaches out there it simply isn't going to work. even the human > animal reincarnation bit is going to be untenable shortly as the number of animals declines precipitously. and as the number of insects likewise falls off the edge of the cliff it's afaics the end for reincarnation. i suppose it's still possible to argue that people will be reincarnated on other planets but i've yet to encounter a belief system that claims such.
 
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it seems to me that this falls foul of one obvious objection, namely that not everyone can get reincarnated.

let me explain.

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whereas before c.1900 a belief in reincarnation was perhaps possible i don't see how it can possibly be now, because either everyone has a shot at it or no one does. and the human population isn't going to keep climbing and climbing. unless you're going to make the claim that there have been a lot of very good cockroaches out there it simply isn't going to work. even the human > animal reincarnation bit is going to be untenable shortly as the number of animals declines precipitously. and as the number of insects likewise falls off the edge of the cliff it's afaics the end for reincarnation. i suppose it's still possible to argue that people will be reincarnated on other planets but i've yet to encounter a belief system that claims such.

This refutation is somewhat more eloquent and nuanced than mine was going to be, as it was going to have been: it’s bollocks.
 
it seems to me that this falls foul of one obvious objection, namely that not everyone can get reincarnated.

executive summary: it's bollocks (hat tip to prunus)

let me explain.

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whereas before c.1900 a belief in reincarnation was perhaps possible i don't see how it can possibly be now, because either everyone has a shot at it or no one does. and the human population isn't going to keep climbing and climbing. unless you're going to make the claim that there have been a lot of very good cockroaches out there it simply isn't going to work. even the human > animal reincarnation bit is going to be untenable shortly as the number of animals declines precipitously. and as the number of insects likewise falls off the edge of the cliff it's afaics the end for reincarnation. i suppose it's still possible to argue that people will be reincarnated on other planets but i've yet to encounter a belief system that claims such.
Speaking as a reincarnated Random Peasant I can probably fill you in on some of the detail. There are billions and billions of bacteria everywhere you look, and every single one has an immortal soul. So there's always plenty to go round for a measly few billion humans. Just because you fail to grasp the intricacies of bacterial morality doesn't mean other beings are incapable.

Incidentally, some Mormons believe in planet Kolob, where human souls end up after death.
 
I think I increasingly believe in the infinite parallel universes idea. So once you die in this life / universe, there is nothing more, but you are alive in other universes, where you have perhaps made different decisions, or different events have happened to you. So perhaps you reawaken as a baby, have the same life over, like Groundhog Day, but this time you decide to post on a different forum or something.
 
it seems to me that this falls foul of one obvious objection, namely that not everyone can get reincarnated.

executive summary: it's bollocks (hat tip to prunus)

let me explain.

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whereas before c.1900 a belief in reincarnation was perhaps possible i don't see how it can possibly be now, because either everyone has a shot at it or no one does. and the human population isn't going to keep climbing and climbing. unless you're going to make the claim that there have been a lot of very good cockroaches out there it simply isn't going to work. even the human > animal reincarnation bit is going to be untenable shortly as the number of animals declines precipitously. and as the number of insects likewise falls off the edge of the cliff it's afaics the end for reincarnation. i suppose it's still possible to argue that people will be reincarnated on other planets but i've yet to encounter a belief system that claims such.

Perhaps it's like the NHS currently, an ever-increasing waiting list. If privatised, capacity might be purchased on alien worlds.
 
If you think we all to turn to ash and nothing when we die - explain to me how I can summon the undead or unborn?
I don't want to. They are not always good experiences. But I can. I can name them.

Explain how meditation and thought transference works, because it does.
Explain how meditation can concentrate energy into communication with lifeforces that are real and here now.

I love you all with your eager doomscrolling but you need to pick up a better positive picture from all this.

Seems like a lot of people here need to ditch their lives and travel and be free. Either in this realm or internally. Death is not some bullshit religious thing.

You get another go on the roulette wheel. If you're lucky you might even remember your old mistakes.
Weird how you can take drugs that take you elswhere but dismiss the places once you have resolved yourselves.

Being flippant about your life-force is really offensive to me. Don't bother tripping if you don't have the decency to hold on to that feeling.


You sound like an 18 year old called Josh or Emily who has just got back from the four month escorted gap yah experience of SEAsia paid for by working in Daddy’s company for three weeks. I can’t wait till you do your first term at ‘uni’ and rush home to tell your pony about socialism…

Although my money is on reincarnated banned poster.
 
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