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What are your political views and why?

dash said:
There were 12 words in Donna's post, and 54 in your elephantine reply.

Donna's outlook seems to produce greater efficiency of output compared to yours.

This is true. Perhaps evidence that the means of production would actually be better served after all, in the hands of the state!! EUREKA!

Can't believe you actually counted though.

Donna has a habit of doing these 1 line out downs, I feel he has it down to a fine art. My applause

;)
 
Pete the Greek said:
This is true. Perhaps evidence that the means of production would actually be better served after all, in the hands of the state!! EUREKA!
Curiously enough though my posting was produced neither by the state nor by a representative of same.

Pete the Greek said:
Donna has a habit of doing these 1 line out downs, I feel he has it down to a fine art. My applause
Well, every great comedian needs a straight man.
 
Donna Ferentes said:
Curiously enough though my posting was produced neither by the state nor by a representative of same.

Well, every great comedian needs a straight man.

we're like a double act, Don. Politicians could wind up paying us to perform at the National Executive Committee. Well, they need to find new ways of raising funds now old Levy is for the noose.

Just so long as we steer away from the 'Rod Hull and Emu' format, I'm not fussy.
 
Why is everybody arguing?

You see, this is why political systems fail - because everybody argues and tries to swing their balls around, instead of getting the job done.

I am an economically left-wing extreme libertarian - which makes me a kind of anarcho-syndicalist in essence. However, I realise this approach hails from la-la land and could never work unless everyone on the globe suddenly turned into a chicken.

And, yes, I once believed in violent revolution, but that was before I grew up and saw what violent revolutions actually do.

Now, I am getting a bit more conservative in my old age, which means everytime I hear an idealistic approach to politics, I smile and sigh.
 
My political stance is that politics is a disease and those who are drawn to political life are the last people who should be involved in it as they have a fundamental personality disorder. (Is that the same as Bluestreak's anarcho-cynic? :confused: :D )

According to political compass I'm about -7 -8 or something.
 
ICB said:
My political stance is that politics is a disease and those who are drawn to political life are the last people who should be involved in it as they have a fundamental personality disorder. (Is that the same as Bluestreak's anarcho-cynic? :confused: :D )

According to political compass I'm about -7 -8 or something.

When I did the compass I came out near the Dalai Lama. How sad does that make me?

i agree though, sadly those drawn to life in public service have social skills matching those of a Walrus with thrush.
 
Dissident Junk said:
And, yes, I once believed in violent revolution, but that was before I grew up and saw what violent revolutions actually do.

Now, I am getting a bit more conservative in my old age, which means everytime I hear an idealistic approach to politics, I smile and sigh.

I think when you see what capitalism does its scarey...And yes a lot of violent revolutions havent ended up so great but how many people died in these violent revolutions and how many have died every day across the world in say the last 10years from the effects of capitalism?

Idealism without realism is preety useless but a world with no idealism would be a very shit place.
 
tbaldwin said:
I think when you see what capitalism does its scarey...And yes a lot of violent revolutions havent ended up so great but how many people died in these violent revolutions and how many have died every day across the world in say the last 10years from the effects of capitalism?

Idealism without realism is preety useless but a world with no idealism would be a very shit place.

Hang on!!!

I always had you down as a Tory!!! Am I very much mistaken? Oops.
 
Pete the Greek said:
Hang on!!!

I always had you down as a Tory!!! Am I very much mistaken? Oops.

No pete..Im a Socialist who believes that Socialism is for the majority not just a minority of very very clever people...
 
Anarchist, as many on here will know anyway.

My thinking first started moving in that direction as a result of a litany of painful betrayals at the hands of unaccountable authority.

Im an 'ex-believer' - they're always the worst ;) :p
 
tbaldwin said:
No pete..Im a Socialist who believes that Socialism is for the majority not just a minority of very very clever people...

oooh, you're old guard!!

Bloody hell, and there was me keeping you back in reserves as a potential supporter in times of dire urban need!

:)
 
Libertarian of the unfettered capitalism, no speed limits, legalised heroin and guns type.

Feel free to invent your own pejorative label and insert rolling eye smileys as appropriate,
 
DownwardDog said:
Libertarian of the unfettered capitalism, no speed limits, legalised heroin and guns type.

Feel free to invent your own pejorative label and insert rolling eye smileys as appropriate,

:D

You're half Donna half me!! welcome!
 
DownwardDog said:
Libertarian of the unfettered capitalism, no speed limits, legalised heroin and guns type . . .

That's exactly how things are so you must be happy as a pig in shit.

Of course, the biggest gang with the biggest guns has inevitably taken over and has imposed taxes and speed limits and criminalised heroin, and made sure no one else can challenge them by ensuring they have exclusive access to the guns.

Hey ho.
 
Non-aligned far left, with big dashes of liberal and green

Why?

Because I don’t believe that capitalism can go on forever. Marx was right to say that capitalism creates its own gravediggers, although whether the people wielding the shovels are exactly who he thought they were is another matter…

Because no viable alternative to capitalism currently exists. Stalinist state-socialism has proved itself an effective model for rapid development of backward economies, but it is apparently incompatible with political and personal freedom, and even less sensitive to environmental destruction than market capitalism. It is entirely supply-side driven. What other alternatives are there? None at present, but that does not mean we should not continue looking for them.

Because I do not believe that capitalism and democracy are synonymous, or that there is a causal relationship between the two. If you take an honest look at governance during the development of governance during the development of capitalist economies over the last two centuries, there is little evidence that there should be such a relationship. A market economy can exist as well under a dictatorship as under a liberal democracy.

Because market capitalism has often been, and in many parts of the world is now being, established more by force of arms than by the majority actually choosing it.

Because man is as much an altruistic being as he is a selfish one. Classical economics depends on a vision of human nature as unrealistic as most of those that it criticises.

Because although many will accuse the left, often rightly, of being overly ideological, there is IME no-one so dogmatic as a free-market fundamentalist, and no-one so keen to ignore the fact that markets always exist within a milieu established and maintained by government, and that trade is always constrained with a legal and political framework. The relationship between economy and polity (insofar as they can be separated) is always – and always will be – dialectical. There is not, never has been and never will be such a thing as free trade: it is an ideology, like any other, and usually one enforced by the strong against the weak.

Because I like liberalism’s emphasis on the liberty of the individual, whilst rejecting its faith in the free market. The language of Victorian liberalism is beguiling but, in retrospect, naïve.

Because the ‘third way’ thinking of the last decade is just shit. It attempts to marry up the free market with greater equality and social inclusion. These two objectives are mutually exclusive. The ‘third way’ has everywhere ended up as a sort of ‘Thatcherism with a human face,’ combining the worst elements of a market and mixed economy.

Because the dogma that the private sector can always deliver a better and cheaper service than the public sector is just that – dogma. It’s not borne out by reality at all.

Because large-scale corporate capitalism just doesn’t deliver what it promises. Choice, competition, innovation – they just don’t happen. A world dominated by a few giant brands of clothes, music, and especially food, is a profoundly unattractive vision of the future, but one we’re confronted with here and now.

Because far too many are stuck in this stupid ‘all or nothing’ mentality: either we revolutionise the world tomorrow, or we leave it as it is – which is usually an excuse for spouting revolutionary rhetoric whilst doing absolutely nothing to change anything. Far too many would rather wrap themselves in the ideological flag and talk of great victories than win small battles in the here and now.

Because, although Keynes may have got many things wrong, he remains a more interesting and penetrating thinker than those who claim to have rebutted him. The same is even more true of Marx.

Because belief in any supernatural being – any God – is usually irrational and unhelpful.

Because every single thing we (yes - us, mankind, with no supernatural help whatsoever) have created has brought its benefits and its problems. They’ve got bigger over the centuries, and will continue to do so. We can travel across the world in hours where once it took months, but at the cost of much greater damage to the planet that sustains us. The human race has immense creativity, but an equally great capacity for self-destruction. Until we learn to accept this and use our creativity for the benefit of those who live now, and not to appease some imaginary deity or other, then we are doomed.
 
Surrealist Revolutionary Marxist-Luxemburgist.

Activism plus Idealism plus experience plus anger.

Love music hate racism; Love sex hate sexism.
 
Roadkill said:
Non-aligned far left, with big dashes of liberal and green

Why?

[snip]

Because every single thing we (yes - us, mankind, with no supernatural help whatsoever) have created has brought its benefits and its problems. They’ve got bigger over the centuries, and will continue to do so. We can travel across the world in hours where once it took months, but at the cost of much greater damage to the planet that sustains us. The human race has immense creativity, but an equally great capacity for self-destruction. Until we learn to accept this and use our creativity for the benefit of those who live now, and not to appease some imaginary deity or other, then we are doomed.
What a refreshingly non-dogmatic post. :cool:

I agree with all of it save your opinion on Marxism, which I see as the String Theory of economics: a superb concept lacking equally superb evidence. That missing component is probably why those views have taken me right and not left.

I don't think capitalism is self-destructive, but I agree absolutely that genuinely free markets don't stay free for very long, and think that free trade as a panacea should have gone out about the same time as stove-pipe hats.

What's your view on custom and tradition in society? For me they're the glue that holds together people who would otherwise have little in common, and must be defended against idealistic wrecking. I generally mistrust idealism of any kind: the rules of society need to be pragmatic if they're to function at all.
 
Azrael said:
What's your view on custom and tradition in society? For me they're the glue that holds together people who would otherwise have little in common
There's a certain amount of truth in this. The trouble is though that one cannot just say we'll keep traditions and customs as they are without discussion: and as soon as we begin to discuss any given tradition, we tend to find that it has changed over the years (as Xmas has) or that it is in fact not all that ancient (this is especially so of many Xmas traditions) or that it has a certain meaning which in fact is not really healthy at all. Social glue or ideological construct? It's a problem - a tradition is something that tends to take itself for granted, and yet it is always argued over.
 
Roadkill said:
Non-aligned far left, with big dashes of liberal and green

Because man is as much an altruistic being as he is a selfish one.

This is completely the opposite of my personal experience but a great post, nonetheless.
 
Originally Posted by Roadkill

Because man is as much an altruistic being as he is a selfish one.


DownwardDog said:
This is completely the opposite of my personal experience but a great post, nonetheless.
What would be the complete opposite of that?
 
libertarian socialist
don't trust goveremnt but trust corparations even less
but expect the state to be tooled up to fuck prefably with a big swiss style milita just incase the cia or somebody else thinks a coup would be in order.
quite like the monarchy not because of the princicple just find liz and charles a lot less vomit inducing than the tony and dave show:(
 
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