Wahaca make planning applications for the old Brady's /Railway Tavern pub on Atlantic Road, Brixton

[leanderman]

Top be honest you could delve into the history of some local HC members and find similar backgrounds.

It was not delving, it was 10 seconds on Wikipedia

Next time, the name of someone I had never heard of comes up I will curb my curiosity, since it seems to have annoyed so many people!

 

[Rushy]

I haven't been to Central America since summer '92 but back then authentic would have involved at least one period of 24hrs being glued to the throne and shitting in litres.


*Sorry if it's a bit early for that*

Bless you Dan U for what I have just been informed was my 1,000th like. You win a ... warm fuzzy feeling?

Shame my comment was about poo

 

[leanderman]

Without detracting from the very valid 'co-operative bollocks Lambeth' argument, I do find the whole name and background sneering thing a bit wearing. On paper I grew up in one of Melbourne's wealthiest suburbs and my siblings all have ridiculously posh names, but the reality was the absolute opposite of a life of wealth and luxury. You can't always judge a book by its cover.

So, because Thomasina has a supposedly posh name it does not mean she is posh?

Even though she patently is? Some books you can judge by the cover.

 

[Rushy]

It was not delving, it was 10 seconds on Wikipedia

Next time, the name of someone I had never heard of comes up I will curb my curiosity, since it seems to have annoyed so many people!

Easy fella. That wasn't my point.

 

[Rushy]

So, because Thomasina has a supposedly posh name it does not mean she is posh?

Even though she patently is? Some books you can judge by the cover.

You sound a bit like Stella English (oops) Katy Hopkins there - and she makes me want to throw things at the telly.

 

[leanderman]

Now I have to look up Stella English

 

[Rushy]

Now I have to look up Stella English

Sorry - I meant Katy Hopkins.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/katie-hopkins-video-watch-holly-2028125

 

[ViolentPanda]

And your opinion is of course entirely objective. Cuz of semiotics and Barthes. Right.

Have I claimed that my opinion is objective?

Nah, it's just you wriggling again, isn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're missing the point (I think.) The starting point is to save the building for the community, rather than open a community centre. The latter is a tool to get the former.

The most broadly beneficial tool, at that. After all, whatever Lambeth make/made off the back of selling or leasing the building to Wahaca, will be a drop in an ocean of piss, with regard to helping bridge any funding gap, whereas a community focal point - that's somewhere that people who're affected by the funding cuts etc can get together, could even organise!

And there, as they say, is the rub: The co-operative council doesn't particularly approve of people organising, especially outside party lines.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm with Truxta- or at least what I think he's trying to say. My thought process/sales pitch to the council would be we the community need space to do x which is important because y. And we have an iconic, historically significant building here, that would be fantastic, be saved by this project and add value in these ways.

Instead, it sounds a bit like the cart came before the horse- "this is an iconic, historically significant building so give it to the community and we'll invent some 'community stuff' to go in it. We can't have the building? Stuff it then"

That's hardly what happened. There have been a fair few attempts to save other socially important buildings for social use, here and elsewhere. It's a recognised method of using a community-owned asset. It's not the case that the cart was put before the horse. Many of the proposed uses would have allowed community assets based elsewhere to find a more permanent home.
In this case, though, it's debatable whether Lambeth (councillors and/or officers) ever had any intention of allowing community use of Brady's, but coming out and saying "no, we're only interested in what we can make from the building" would have been too bald even for Lambeth, so they strung the local community along.

The only value that the council are interesting in, has nothing to do with adding, just with realising.

If there is a genuine need for a community space (and I happen to think there is)that need still exists even if Brady's isn't an option. Which doesn't mean flats/pricy restaurants are desirable for that site, or that Lambeth hasn't behaved badly- simply that the community space dream should live on, and be looking for some other space in central Brixton. (Even while regretting that its not Brady's)

I'm not sure people get why Brady's was an almost ideal building for the intended community usages - part of it was because the building was big enough that community assets that are spread out all over Brixton currently, could have been brought together "under one roof", at a saving to the council, and to those community assets - and because the building is central enough and memorable enough that people would know where to go, and be able to get there easily.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And on Wahaca/Thomasina Myers- sneering at someone because her parents gave her a silly name is a bit reductive- if she had renamed herself Jane someone would dig out the fact she wasn't really called that and sneer at her for hiding her origins. It's divisive and unpleasant to spend so much time searching for evidence of people's origins and using it to tar and feather them- its part of the divide and rule that this government are pushing so hard, and I'm afraid it's working.

Sorry to be so blunt in criticising some people on here I like, but I think it's a real shame if a serious point (pertinently here how much investment to get businesses off the ground in this country is tied up in old school/family networks, for example) becomes 'she went to a posh school and has a silly name ner ner ne ner ner'. It makes valid concerns about the direction the country is taking into adolescent pointing and jeering- and therefore easy to ignore and dismiss

It's not a case of "because", it's a case of "on top of anything else, her dad's name is Probyn, and her name is Thomasina. OMFG!".
And researching someone's origins is fair game - to know where someone "comes from" is to get a clue as to the attitudes they might have been inculcated with. If their later actions then appear to be in keeping with those attitudes, then good. If not, that's also good.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Odd how chains which take over these spots are almost universally owned and run by those with inherited privilege though isn't it. Almost like there was some basic economic imbalance in society.

Are you some sort of pinko, Fridge?

 

[TruXta]

Have I claimed that my opinion is objective?

Nah, it's just you wriggling again, isn't it?

#redacted

 

[ViolentPanda]

And while I'm at it, on the Soup Kitchen book...it was published in 2005 when soup kitchens had all but died out. It was a harmless phrase with nothing to most people but historical interest... There were a few 'soup kitchens'- mostly food trucks, referred to as soup-runs usually- ministering to the homeless, but they were seriously considering banning them as not helping address the problems of that group (it was briefly a government policy proposal in 2007, and the proposal was supported by many of the major charities. Shelter still thought they had a place but wrote a whole policy paper on what they were not and should not be. Which included common, regular, part of the established social benefit framework ...)

Now that our country is going down the toilet, soup kitchens (and food bank, something I had only heard of in socially brutal America) have become both common and loaded terms. It's a bit harsh to blame her for being one of the editors of a book with that title, published 8 years ago before we had any idea soup kitchens would become part of our reality again.

Not wishing to appear that I'm attacking everything you're saying, but soup kitchens have never, over the past 25 years, "all but died out". They've been part of social reality in most cities since the mid-'80s. I wish to fuck they had "all but died out", but all that happened is that they went a bit more "underground", with most efforts shipping food and blankets from surburban locations, rather than being centrally located in the cities. Cheaper, you see - more "bang for your buck" to use the local church hall to make the food, rather than hiring a storefront. The need has always been there, but more so since Thatcher, and looks like it'll become a much more deeply-embedded part of social reality before the neoliberals have finished.

 

[ViolentPanda]

God help those eating inauthentic food. Scum. Scum, pure and simple.

G-d doesn't help anyone.

 

[ViolentPanda]

#redacted

#redacted2

 

[ViolentPanda]

I can't see the post numbers in the new version of the forum, but there was an exchange between you and VP that started at 9.56, which picked at her name, her dad's name and the village she came from.

Hmm.
I made a crack that Guiting Power is somewhere I'd like to be when the power cuts come (Guiting Power/Getting Power, see what I did?).

I think it had a very sneering tone. And it takes away from the real point, which is the one Fridgemagnet and then you made much more constructively and clearly- that there is a take over of public life by a cartel who went to school and university together and have access to investment etc which is allowing them to take over public life. That's the real issue

A "sneering tone" (if such a thing was intended, rather than being attributed) doesn't detract from the real point, although I'd concede that focusing on the perceived sneering tone might allow someone to shift the focus from that real point, onto something less relevant.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Are you some sort of pinko, Fridge?

*checks whether dad has written any books*

 

[ffsear]

Now I have to look up Stella English

Here you go!

 

[pissflaps]

/punches monitor

 

[cuppa tee]

It was a book raising money for charity, at a time when soup kitchens were a lot more scarce than they have become in recent years.

Someone needs to edit her Wikipedia page so this philanthropic act does not go unnoticed.

 

[el-ahrairah]

this is a proper old school thread. reminds me of 2002. if only hatboy and annakey had lived to see this

 

[leanderman]

Hmm.
I made a crack that Guiting Power is somewhere I'd like to be when the power cuts come (Guiting Power/Getting Power, see what I did?).



A "sneering tone" (if such a thing was intended, rather than being attributed) doesn't detract from the real point, although I'd concede that focusing on the perceived sneering tone might allow someone to shift the focus from that real point, onto something less relevant.

But, most of all, I love the village name, Guiting Power. It's baffling and extraordinary.

 

[leanderman]

Here you go!

Thanks. I'm flattered

Tho' somehow I think Katy Hopkins would revel in Thomasina's success as proof of the value of good breeding, good schooling and jolly hard work -unlike those layabout 'welfarers'

 

[ffsear]

She would. That's what makes her a fucking moron!

 

[Onket]

A "sneering tone" (if such a thing was intended, rather than being attributed)

LOL

 

[ViolentPanda]

LOL

Glad to have entertained you.

 

[Gramsci]

this is a proper old school thread. reminds me of 2002. if only hatboy and annakey had lived to see this

I think they might lurk here.

 

[Gramsci]

And on Wahaca/Thomasina Myers- sneering at someone because her parents gave her a silly name is a bit reductive- if she had renamed herself Jane someone would dig out the fact she wasn't really called that and sneer at her for hiding her origins. It's divisive and unpleasant to spend so much time searching for evidence of people's origins and using it to tar and feather them- its part of the divide and rule that this government are pushing so hard, and I'm afraid it's working.

Sorry to be so blunt in criticising some people on here I like, but I think it's a real shame if a serious point (pertinently here how much investment to get businesses off the ground in this country is tied up in old school/family networks, for example) becomes 'she went to a posh school and has a silly name ner ner ne ner ner'. It makes valid concerns about the direction the country is taking into adolescent pointing and jeering- and therefore easy to ignore and dismiss

The divide and rule that is going on is at:

Immigrants, the unemployed, the disabled, those on benefits who live in luxury due to extra bedroom etc

Its also been aimed at people who have Marxists fathers who happen to be Jewish immigrants. Pretty well says it all.

It is definitely not aimed at people like her. These people get an easy ride in the media and in government.

 

[Gramsci]

So, because Thomasina has a supposedly posh name it does not mean she is posh?

Even though she patently is? Some books you can judge by the cover.

If you go on like this you will have the Daily Mail looking into your background.