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ah cam is fuckin brilliant. havent been to nam since 1990- and I came back with my leg in plaster.

Hoping to take the kids out to do the reunification express and a bit of Cambodia next year( now that Im working again)- once you get the flights out of the way, its great value.
 
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Khe Sanh combat base - very atmospheric - at least when I visited

Go to Hanoi - there's a museum with a few burn out US planes

Err, there's the tunnels in the delta area (very popular -be in the tourist guide)

I visited in 1997 - and there were still a few casualties of war floating around - Vietnamese women reminiscing about their 'GIs' for example.

You have to read 'Dispatches' by Michael Herr, 'Chickenhawk' by Robert Mason is also good, and a very readable general history of the war is 'Vietnam: A history' by Stanley Karnow.

Dispatches might have been one of the best books about war I've ever read. Nam by Robert Baker got to be too. Blew my head off that book.
 
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A rough plan of our tour...


Mon 7 - Arrive HCMC
Tue 8 - HCMC (Cu Chi tunnels)
Weds 9 - HCMC
Thur 10 - Fly to Phu Quoc Island
Fri 11 - Phu Quoc
Sat 12 - Phu Quoc
Sun 13 - Ferry to Ha Tien (1.5 hours) then bus into Cambodia and explore (Kampot and Kep seem like good places)
Mon 14 - Explore area (Kampot / Bokor Hill Station‏)
Tues 15 -Explore area
Weds 16 - Phnom Pehn
Thur 17 - Phnom Pehn
Fri 18 - Boat from PP to Chau Doc, Vietnam (5-6 hours)
Sat 19 - Explore area (Can Tho looks interesting)
Sun 20 - Explore area
Mon - 21 Flight departs HCMC
 
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How'd you get on ?????


Good.

We did Siem Reap for 3 days, Phnom Penh for 3 dad (too long), HCMC - 1 day, Mui Ne - 2 days (not great), Hoi An - 5 days (sickness prolonged it and we missed Hue but it was a great place), Phong Nha - 3 days (highlight of our Vietnam trip, Hanoi - 1 day and now were in Cat Ba and tomorrow we go back to Hanoi for another day.

Hope you've been having fun. Longest I've not been on U75!
 
Good.

We did Siem Reap for 3 days, Phnom Penh for 3 dad (too long), HCMC - 1 day, Mui Ne - 2 days (not great), Hoi An - 5 days (sickness prolonged it and we missed Hue but it was a great place), Phong Nha - 3 days (highlight of our Vietnam trip, Hanoi - 1 day and now were in Cat Ba and tomorrow we go back to Hanoi for another day.

Hope you've been having fun. Longest I've not been on U75!
 
Had anyone got experience of travelling in Cambodia during their new years festival in April?
 
Had anyone got experience of travelling in Cambodia during their new years festival in April?
The water festival? Kinda, although I think I was in Laos at the time. As far as I understand, it's similar in Cambodia at least. It was great fun, but I got very wet! Lots of children throwing water balloons with dye at us. Travellers are particular targets, and I do remember once trying to get to an internet cafe by hiding behind walls, army style, trying to avoid all the young Laotians :D
 
The water festival? Kinda, although I think I was in Laos at the time. As far as I understand, it's similar in Cambodia at least. It was great fun, but I got very wet! Lots of children throwing water balloons with dye at us. Travellers are particular targets, and I do remember once trying to get to an internet cafe by hiding behind walls, army style, trying to avoid all the young Laotians :D

The new years festival/holiday is 3 days long from 13th April. Bit worried public transport etc will shut down. Called the embassy today and they didnt really know?!
 
The new years festival/holiday is 3 days long from 13th April. Bit worried public transport etc will shut down. Called the embassy today and they didnt really know?!
Laos may be different, but I was certainly able to take the smaller open minibus tuk tuk things during the festival. I remember this clearly because those open top minibuses seemed excellent for throwing buckets of water at :hmm::D
 
I've got a very old Lonely Planet for the region, do you want me to look up what that says tomorrow? It is over 10 years old but I imagine the general rule would have been unlikely to have changed.
 
We were in Cambodia while there was a public holiday going on. No buses out of the city and couldn't get the visa sorted as the embassy was closed. We just stayed longer, it wasn't a problem. Everything else was open.

This was Oct/Nov time though, not April.
 
A rough plan of our tour...


Mon 7 - Arrive HCMC
Tue 8 - HCMC (Cu Chi tunnels)
Weds 9 - HCMC
Thur 10 - Fly to Phu Quoc Island
Fri 11 - Phu Quoc
Sat 12 - Phu Quoc
Sun 13 - Ferry to Ha Tien (1.5 hours) then bus into Cambodia and explore (Kampot and Kep seem like good places)
Mon 14 - Explore area (Kampot / Bokor Hill Station‏)
Tues 15 -Explore area
Weds 16 - Phnom Pehn
Thur 17 - Phnom Pehn
Fri 18 - Boat from PP to Chau Doc, Vietnam (5-6 hours)
Sat 19 - Explore area (Can Tho looks interesting)
Sun 20 - Explore area
Mon - 21 Flight departs HCMC

Missing out Angkor Wat? Shame. Best part of Cambodia. Amazing place.
 
I've got a very old Lonely Planet for the region, do you want me to look up what that says tomorrow? It is over 10 years old but I imagine the general rule would have been unlikely to have changed.

Thanks. My one from Amazon should be with me tomorrow.
 
By the way, despite the embassy being completely shut down, a couple of coppers told us they could take our passports and get visas put in them for us.

We pretended that we were going to go back to the hotel to get them.
 
Missing out loads of places I'd love to see but there simply isnt enough time. We 'have' to go to Phnom Pehn to visit a mate.
Meet your mate in Angkor Wat / Siem Reap. Don't miss AW if you're going all that way, it's not just another temple / tourist attraction.
 
Off on Sunday. Weather looks fucking terrible though. Balls.
 
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Got back on Monday morning......fanatic trip but certainly Cambodia being the highlight....

HCMC I didnt like in the slightest. its like London on Crystal Meth. Cu Chi tunnels where interesting and a good excuse to get out of the crazy city for a day. We had the best part of a day there too before we flew home and I know it may seem unfair to judge a city on a 3.5 day visit but seen enough to never make me go back. its about a communist as New York and london cosmetically and I've serious never seen so many Star Bucks in one city. crazy. Struggled to find decent food either. Very very lovely people though. And the commie soldiers seem to be there mainly for tourists. The war museum was very interesting though

Phu Quoc Island was very nice. Particularly one beach which the name escapes me now (very close to the prison). But the island it almost exclusively westerners and wasn't what we'd travelled half way around the word for so stayed for 2 and not the planned 3 nights.

Ha Tien I loved and was my stupidly naive vision of how Saigon was gonna be.

Now the serious fun started as we entered the wonderful wonderful land of Cambodia.

Kampot is like a oasis of calm and soporific. Bokor Hill Station is a very interesting day trip but also I very touristy thing to do. Our guide was a former Khmer rouge teenage troop who's father (military general) was killed by Pol Pot so he defected to Vietnam and helped liberate Phnom Pehn 3 years later.

After 3 lovely days there we went to Sihanoukville for another 4 nights and loved it. Stayed on one of the quiet beaches away from the throngs and got a scooter. 'Some' pharmacies sell you a fine selection of wonderful drugs. ketamine, xanax, morphine. codine etc so we had a few samples. Especially of the k.

Then our last two nights in the wonderful city of Phnom Pehn. i loved this city and could have stayed for many days more. My missus has a friend living there who's a DJ so that was handy. We stayed in the great Top Banana guest house.

I will certainly be returning to Cambodia in teh next few years with maybe a trip into Laos too.

Thanks again for all the advice.
 
Bokor Hill Station is gone. It's been made into a casino by the Chinese.
I'm pretty sure the old casino and church are still there. The new casino is further up the hill. There was a building showing a big model of the planned developments of the hill. Horrendous. Covering the whole place with executive houses and golf courses.
 
I'm pretty sure the old casino and church are still there. The new casino is further up the hill. There was a building showing a big model of the planned developments of the hill. Horrendous. Covering the whole place with executive houses and golf courses.

When I was there you couldn't see the casino at all. You could go to the church but there was people living in it.
 
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