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Soz how is America first more political than fascist proud boys or the oathkeepers?
US President Biden inauguration, Weds 20th Jan 2021 - news, build-up and protests
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Lurdan
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They are a distinct public political grouping. On the 6th their leading figures posed for multiple group photos giving the ridiculous one finger America First salute. They then assembled by some statue outside the Capitol where Nick Fuentes gave a speech. There has been some militant cosplay (although less recently I think?) and brave words, but essentially they produce propaganda based on a core ideology. They are exactly like a small post-grad middle class Trotskyist party.
(Have to say I find their traditionalist catholicism interesting, but then I think both 'left' and 'right' forms of reactionary social catholicism are understudied).
moochedit
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Yossarian
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And so it starts:
He wasn't the brightest spark though:
Washington: man arrested with fake inaugural ID and loaded gun
Wesley Allen Beeler arrested ahead of Biden inauguration as security stepped up nationwide in wake of Capitol attackwww.theguardian.com
The Guardian's reporting here may have been a little too alarmist - according to the Washington Post, he was just a redneck security guard who took a wrong turn.
existentialist
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"I'm still relevant"
SpookyFrank
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Init. She's in danger of losing her position of Troll Laureate to Laurence Fox and needs to boost her profile.
Yossarian
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How did Katie Hopkins even get in the country? She's a potential carrier of a dangerous British strain of disease, she should have been denied entry or at the very least placed in quarantine for 14 days or however long it takes to ensure she's not a threat to public health, and definitely not allowed near the inauguration or any other large gatherings.
There might also be some coronavirus restrictions involved.
existentialist
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She should definitely be quarantined on her return to the UK. Five years should do it...
hitmouse
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Am I right in thinking that AF would come down on the ethnic nationalist side of the ethnic/civic nationalist split, while Proud Boys and Oathkeepers would broadly be the latter?
Agree with you about traditionalist catholicism being understudied, would be interested if you have any recommendations on that topic?
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Or shot
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apparently she lives there 6 months in the year, its a tax dodge. maybe
David Clapson
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Smoke over the Capitol. It's on lockdown. The tannoy is saying something about an external security threat.
David Clapson
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Panic over. Possibly. People are saying it was a fire a couple of blocks away.
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farmerbarleymow
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You're such a woolly liberal...
Nylock
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That too. I'm not fussy TBH
keybored
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Are they National Guard? Hard to recognise them all vertical and conscious like that.
mystic pyjamas
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Do they still put people in jail for ridiculous amounts of time like 1009 years 6 months and 23 days ?
ginger_syn
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No idea.
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how exactly do you kill someone by sticking wedges of wood under their wheels?
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use garlic non working tenuously linked to thread in general forumhow exactly do you kill someone by sticking wedges of wood under their wheels?
Lurdan
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Sorry for the delay responding - bit of a day yesterday.
Can't say I've thought about it in those terms, and I don't claim any particular expertise. America First are explicitly ethnonationalist and its part of their 'offering' of a set of clear 'values' and 'principles'. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers leaderships do insist they are not racist. In the case of the Proud Boys it's difficult to square this with their core masculinism (there's a interesting piece here which discusses this) which involves creating a culture that amongst other things resists "white genocide" through breeding. At a theoretical level the notion of a pure ethnostate is different to the notion of a white supremacy which 'restores' (lol) a clear racial/ethnic hierarchy. But in day to day reality I'm not convinced this is anything more than an abstract debate. It's also pretty obvious that 'we're not racist' merely means we expect our members to be careful what they say.
On a different note I was stressing that America First are a more political grouping. A clear illustration of what I mean is the speech Nick Fuentes gave in his mini-Groyper rally outside the Capitol on the 6th. It's on Bitchute here. It's all about denouncing RINO's and GOP traitors. There's some interesting organised slogan chanting. ("Destroy the GOP"). America First are archetypal exponents of a form of what, in left wing discourse, would be described as 'ultra leftism'. They initially defined themselves by attacking Turning Point USA for being soft and unprincipled. Now it's the GOP 'establishment' traitors.
Anyhow, apologies this ought really to be on the alt-right thread rather than here.
Can't say I've thought about it in those terms, and I don't claim any particular expertise. America First are explicitly ethnonationalist and its part of their 'offering' of a set of clear 'values' and 'principles'. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers leaderships do insist they are not racist. In the case of the Proud Boys it's difficult to square this with their core masculinism (there's a interesting piece here which discusses this) which involves creating a culture that amongst other things resists "white genocide" through breeding. At a theoretical level the notion of a pure ethnostate is different to the notion of a white supremacy which 'restores' (lol) a clear racial/ethnic hierarchy. But in day to day reality I'm not convinced this is anything more than an abstract debate. It's also pretty obvious that 'we're not racist' merely means we expect our members to be careful what they say.
Welcome recommendations myself actually.
On a different note I was stressing that America First are a more political grouping. A clear illustration of what I mean is the speech Nick Fuentes gave in his mini-Groyper rally outside the Capitol on the 6th. It's on Bitchute here. It's all about denouncing RINO's and GOP traitors. There's some interesting organised slogan chanting. ("Destroy the GOP"). America First are archetypal exponents of a form of what, in left wing discourse, would be described as 'ultra leftism'. They initially defined themselves by attacking Turning Point USA for being soft and unprincipled. Now it's the GOP 'establishment' traitors.
They're positioning themselves within the debate over the direction of the Republican Party ('end the political careers of the traitors' 're-elect Donal Trump in 2024' etc.) and seeking to become political influencers on it's right. It remains to be seen exactly how this could work with the baggage they already carry from 'edgy' ultra-militant discourse about "killing globalists", the holocaust etc etc.
Anyhow, apologies this ought really to be on the alt-right thread rather than here.
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