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Corona side effect - whole system seems to be fucked. Half of the sites, especially the Verify ones, seem to be going down, phone lines completely overloaded, waiting times even online in the hours. Nothing being done to ease the pressure or offer more support that I can see. Anyway, if anyone hears anything/find the system is actually working post here to keep others updated. I just gave up on trying to finish Verify, will try late night to see if it eases up. Was using Post Office site, but just seemed to timeout constantly.
 
The system 'works' as well as it ever has done!!!!!!!
What it was never meant to cope with, apart from real life, was 500,000 new claims in 9 days at the same time as upto 40% of staff are not in work. Add to that the subsequent work that brings and hey presto..... Whether it gets 'better' I don't know. If you cannot get you id verified phone the number 0800 328 5644 at bang on 8:00am. We can book a phone appointment and get your I'd and bank details verified over the phone.
 
Tbh, the online ID verification sites have always been a bit flaky, even under their regular load.

Fedayn Once this thing is over, what probability would you assign to the Job centres remaining closed to regular punters?
 
I just wonder why they can't design a system that mandates everyone to verify by phone if they could ease the load by designing a robust system which lets most people do it online, without clogging up phone resources. It's bollocks.

Upwards of 40% of cliamants either have 0 or little inline access. Also some people can't access online services, plus vulnerable people who can't uses the www will have ttanslation issues so a mate in the phone can help. So it isn't bollocks but a reality of life for many claimants.
And they are not clogging up phone resources any more than the 500,000 claimants who accessed online are clogging up staff resources and man hours.
 
Tbh, the online ID verification sites have always been a bit flaky, even under their regular load.

Fedayn Once this thing is over, what probability would you assign to the Job centres remaining closed to regular punters?

It is yes, staff and the union, PCS, have made that clear for years.

Once this is passed there will be little justification, other than an absolute attack on the civil service to not re-open the jobcentres.
We are bringing in staff from other civil service departments, back room DWP staff and asking those who retired to come back.
 
There's a fair bit of stuff on this over on the freelance thread, but to sum up, yes you might need to wait upward of 6 hours on hold to get your 'interview' appointment but it's toll free so put it on speakerphone and continue your daily dose of come dine with me and pornhub and eventually you get through.

Then the interview's arranged for a couple of days time, they call, they dont check any details as apparently they usually would (we're taking your word for it at the moment) and ten minutes later you're able to access your first load of money at a 10% interest rate.

There. I know it's immensely frustrating but I guess you can hardly blame them for not quite being prepared for this shit.
 
Upwards of 40% of cliamants either have 0 or little inline access. Also some people can't access online services, plus vulnerable people who can't uses the www will have ttanslation issues so a mate in the phone can help. So it isn't bollocks but a reality of life for many claimants.
And they are not clogging up phone resources any more than the 500,000 claimants who accessed online are clogging up staff resources and man hours.

I get this, but my point is if we can remove let's say 50% of the phone traffic to an online system for those that do have access to the web, and who could just do all the data input themselves with no human interaction, then surely that's a whole heap less resource needed on the other side, which could better be spent on serving those who do need the phone service.

I'm not convinced that the same level of resource would just be shifted from phone to web, when all the data input and time spent doing the application, is done by the claimant with no human interaction.

Appolgies if I'm sounding flippant or overly simplistic. I'm absolutely not advocating for removing the phone service altogether.
 
I get this, but my point is if we can remove let's say 50% of the phone traffic to an online system for those that do have access to the web, and who could just do all the data input themselves with no human interaction, then surely that's a whole heap less resource needed on the other side, which could better be spent on serving those who do need the phone service.

I'm not convinced that the same level of resource would just be shifted from phone to web, when all the data input and time spent doing the application, is done by the claimant with no human interaction.

Appolgies if I'm sounding flippant or overly simplistic. I'm absolutely not advocating for removing the phone service altogether.

The problem is the government refused to listen to the evidence provided. That introducing a benefit, that was digital by default, into a public that they had some 0 research into how that would work, would not work. Consequently, when they introduced Universal Credit Full Service th y intended it to be without.telephony. Within weeks they realised that their lack of homework on the ability of the 'target gorup' of claimants was not not digitally aware to the extent they had said it was, they never did any research they moved an entire service centre over to telephonym The hey then added another service centre to deal with telephony. Then they got the details of research regarding the digital ability of claimants and admitted that upwards of 40% had 0 to limited digital ability. They tried tonram through an untested system. The knock on effect of this approach, the closure of numerous offices and service/benefit centres, the inbuilt stop start nature of Universal Credit, the unprecedented rise in claims leaves us where we are. The closure of offices also means the reduction in telephone capacity. A perfectt storm, in part all stemming from a government obsessed with Universal Credit and it's intended downward pressure on claimants and we are where we are.
I would love to see an improved verification service online, who wouldn't, but the problem stems from the governmemts initial refusal to realise to realise their folly.
Also rememberr the fact some offices have 40% staff off because of the virus.
I would also add that the ability to make claims online, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, with a workforce that at most works, a normal week, of 5 days a week, 7:30am to 6:30pm. When that is the normal the it is clear that staff are always playing catch-up. And when that is added to the avalanche of claims.... You can clearly see what is coming.
 
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It's taken 2 days to process my last document, passport and selfie. The automated email was so excited it told me twice that it had been accepted.
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Eta. Bollocks, only the passport done. Still have to wait for the selfie to be verified.
 
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The problem is the government refused to listen to the evidence provided. That introducing a benefit, that was digital by default, into a public that they had some 0 research into how that would work, would not work. Consequently, when they introduced Universal Credit Full Service th y intended it to be without.telephony. Within weeks they realised that their lack of homework on the ability of the 'target gorup' of claimants was not not digitally aware to the extent they had said it was, they never did any research they moved an entire service centre over to telephonym The hey then added another service centre to deal with telephony. Then they got the details of research regarding the digital ability of claimants and admitted that upwards of 40% had 0 to limited digital ability. They tried tonram through an untested system. The knock on effect of this approach, the closure of numerous offices and service/benefit centres, the inbuilt stop start nature of Universal Credit, the unprecedented rise in claims leaves us where we are. The closure of offices also means the reduction in telephone capacity. A perfectt storm, in part all stemming from a government obsessed with Universal Credit and it's intended downward pressure on claimants and we are where we are.
I would love to see an improved verification service online, who wouldn't, but the problem stems from the governmemts initial refusal to realise to realise their folly.
Also rememberr the fact some offices have 40% staff off because of the virus.
I would also add that the ability to make claims online, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, with a workforce that at most works, a normal week, of 5 days a week, 7:30am to 6:30pm. When that is the normal the it is clear that staff are always playing catch-up. And when that is added to the avalanche of claims.... You can clearly see what is coming.

Totally agree with all that. No way am I defending how UC was implemented.

I'm just saying it seems a massive fail if a system which was originally envisaged as an online only thing, which they clearly had to row back on, now has gone full swing into everyone having to wait 6+ hours on the phone.
 
Totally agree with all that. No way am I defending how UC was implemented.

I'm just saying it seems a massive fail if system which was originally envisaged as an online only thing, which they clearly had to row back on, now has gone full swing into everyone having to wait 6+ hours on the phone.
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I know you're not.
UC has been a cluster fuck from start to date. The losers being the claimants and then the staff.
A mess.......
 
It's taken 2 days to process my last document, passport and selfie. The automated email was so excited it told me twice that it had been accepted.
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Eta. Bollocks, only the passport done. Still have to wait for the selfie to be verified.

Don't bother verifying it online. Phone up 0800 328 5644 at 8am on the dot. Get an initial appointment booked which will take place over the phone. Your verification can be sorted out during the appointment that is booked.
 
Don't bother verifying it online. Phone up 0800 328 5644 at 8am on the dot. Get an initial appointment booked which will take place over the phone. Your verification can be sorted out during the appointment that is booked.

Thanks. Will get on the phone tomorrow morning.
 
Um, I have a slightly 'interesting' question. If, out of interest, I picked up the odd week's work here and there in the next few months, which is quite possible, do I really need to declare that on the site? I mean how likely is it they'll find out? Hypothetically of course. I could really use a week's work but it probably wouldn't really be worth it if it meant being busted on the UC.
 
Um, I have a slightly 'interesting' question. If, out of interest, I picked up the odd week's work here and there in the next few months, which is quite possible, do I really need to declare that on the site? I mean how likely is it they'll find out? Hypothetically of course. I could really use a week's work but it probably wouldn't really be worth it if it meant being busted on the UC.

Cash in hand, or short term contract ie provided a wage slip? If it is the latter then you'll have to do a change of circumstances through your journal (they'll know anyway as UC is more closely-coupled with HMRC systems than you might expect).

If it's the former, well, that's a matter for your own conscience, you tax-avoider you. Why do you hate the NHS etc ;)
 
Cash in hand, or short term contract ie provided a wage slip? If it is the latter then you'll have to do a change of circumstances through your journal (they'll know anyway as UC is more closely-coupled with HMRC systems than you might expect).

If it's the former, well, that's a matter for your own conscience, you tax-avoider you. Why do you hate the NHS etc ;)

My possible work would probably be paid through an umbrella company, ie, yeh - involving HMRC. So I guess I'll need to declare it on there. How much do they dock you?

I can sorta see now why people choose to stay on benefits! An eye opener this.
 
I heard just before on the news the UC is increasing as of 6 April. I've not actually received my first one yet (it's coming on the 24th April), but they told me how much I'd be getting. Would they have taken that into account when they advised me? Would it kick it automatically? I could definitely use it!

I can't really handle the thought of another 6 hours on hold to ask them so if anyone knows...
 
Just got a call and mine has gone through. Requested a call on the journal, not sure if they're doing it by default now anyway though. Assuming it's backdated, forgot to ask though. Still 3 weeks before I get anything mind, so long month to come.
 
Just got a call and mine has gone through. Requested a call on the journal, not sure if they're doing it by default now anyway though. Assuming it's backdated, forgot to ask though. Still 3 weeks before I get anything mind, so long month to come.

You can get a loan on it - ie, the full amount of your first payment payable back at 10%. That comes through pretty much instantly. There's a button on the portal called 'Advances'. Surprised they didnt tell you that.
 
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