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Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ)

Thinks about this and apologies for digressing. Cars are increasingly sophisticated these days. Why not have a finger print scanner in every car. It might help cut down on car theft and it would recognise who was drinking it when the law was broken, congestion charging zone was entered or ULEZ etc. Taking it further, drivers could be charged for every mile they are driving and how badly they were driving.
 
Pickman's model said:
seems to me it'd be fairer to have a range of 'passes' for say 4 hours, 8 hours, 12 hours and so on which aren't restricted by date, so you could have people drive into the ulez for a range of reasons and choose the ones which suit their needs so that the inequity you raise need not occur.
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Yeah, maybe. Although I guess there comes a point where making things more complex works against it.
 
My Golf is not ULEZ compliant, but I'd not use it to go into town because parking is both difficult and expensive. My very old Astra is compliant. If it was essential I'd go in that.
 
Assumed my car was ok as it's 2015, but the warning on Google maps was enough to make me double check. Glad I did as it's not. It's odd that the TFL site doesn't automatically tell you what you owe.

With that and fuel it was still cheaper then getting the train, which certainly feels wrong.
 
The expansion is certainly not popular where I live, luckily my base at work is about 200 metres short of the zone, as I can't afford to replace my car, and public transport just simply isn't viable for me at work.

They really need to do more to improve public transport for the expansion rollout though, its piss poor around here.
 
sim667 said:
The expansion is certainly not popular where I live, luckily my base at work is about 200 metres short of the zone, as I can't afford to replace my car, and public transport just simply isn't viable for me at work.

They really need to do more to improve public transport for the expansion rollout though, its piss poor around here.
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It's an unfortunate casualty of the politics of it. It's known full well in the London Assembly that this would best be done with funding and co-operation of all the Home Counties. But Westminster refused to organise anything or pony up the cash. So they said "Fuck you then, we can do this much on our own" pretty much solely to piss off the Tories. I say this as someone who thinks it's something that has to be done, but the organisation of this particular implementation is embarrassing. The anti-ULEZ crowd are doing themselves no favours by being closely adjacent to the anti-vaxxers and the "Cards will steal our souls, use cash" crowd. Around here at least, they come off as right loons which isn't something you want to do when 80% of people aren't affected by it and have complete and total apathy towards it.
 
Do the anti-ULEZ politicians have an answer? what is it? electrify the buses but that costs $£$£?
I just got a bit fed up recently because of the diesel idlers where i work and at home.
 
DJWrongspeed said:
Do the anti-ULEZ politicians have an answer? what is it? electrify the buses but that costs $£$£?
I just got a bit fed up recently because of the diesel idlers where i work and at home.
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Of course not, the anti’s never do.

If they do it’ll be outlandishly complicated and/or involve yet to be invented technology.
 
alex_ said:
Of course not, the anti’s never do.

If they do it’ll be outlandishly complicated and/or involve yet to be invented technology.
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Guy from Harrow Council (who are opposing) was just on R4. Arguing both that (a) ULEZ is bad because poor people need cars and that (b) answer to pollution is electric cars.
 
Winot said:
Guy from Harrow Council (who are opposing) was just on R4. Arguing both that (a) ULEZ is bad because poor people need cars and that (b) answer to pollution is electric cars.
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Cheap petrol/diesel cars will be around for another 25 or so years yet, so they can make this argument work for a while longer yet.
 
RubyToogood said:
Speaking as someone who has a good view of London from where I live, the air quality has really noticeably improved. Like dramatically.
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Are there any stats you can reference, I am genuinely interested if the ULEZ has made a significant improvement?
 
It’s a pity that much or most of the air quality improvements are being cancelled out by the ever-worsening congestion in London, which increase in the last few years has been caused by the very man seeking to implement the ULEZ extension.
 
T & P said:
It’s a pity that much or most of the air quality improvements are being cancelled out by the ever-worsening congestion in London, which increase in the last few years has been caused by the very man seeking to implement the ULEZ extension.
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Sounds like a definite True Fact.
 
teuchter said:
Sounds like a definite True Fact.
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That London’s traffic congestion has got worse in recent years is a documented fact. As to what has caused that, well, it’s either going to be significant new numbers of vehicles now than ever before (Pandemic period excluded), or alternatively something is causing existing traffic to be more congested than it used to be.

Guess which one it is. And then, guess what might have possibly caused broadly similar volume of traffic (if not less) over time to become significantly more congested than ever before in the last two years.
 
T & P said:
That London’s traffic congestion has got worse in recent years is a documented fact. As to what has caused that, well, it’s either going to be significant new numbers of vehicles now than ever before (Pandemic period excluded), or alternatively something is causing existing traffic to be more congested than it used to be.

Guess which one it is. And then, guess what might have possibly caused broadly similar volume of traffic (if not less) over time to become significantly more congested than ever before in the last two years.
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Will look forward to seeing the document that documents the True Fact that increased congestion has cancelled out much or most of the improvements in air quality resulting from the ULEZ.
 
teuchter said:
Will look forward to seeing the document that documents the True Fact that increased congestion has cancelled out much or most of the improvements in air quality resulting from the ULEZ.
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Fuck me, are you now denying that increased pollution leads to increased pollution? Oh dear… :D
 
He thinks that the policies which have decreased road space for motor vehicles have caused additional congestion, and this additional congestion has caused additional pollution, and this additional pollution has cancelled out much or most of the pollution decrease due to the ULEZ.

So rather a few assertions to be backed up with the "well documented" True Facts.
 
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