Tulse Hill news, chitter chatter and gossip

[GarveyLives]

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Three years later.

One murdered child.

Four arrests.

No-one charged (to date).

Many people traumatised.

Anyone with information knows what to do.​

Exactly five years ago this evening, 16-year old John Ogunjobi (also known as JaySav) was murdered in Greenleaf Close, Tulse Hill Estate. He had been stabbed several times.

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Anyone with information is asked to contact the incident room on 020 8721 4961 or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

You can also tweet information to @MetCC.​

 

[nick]

Tulse Hill Coop seems to be bearing the brunt of unbridled shoplifting (/cost of living crisis) at the moment.

Went in to get some cash this morning and there was a bloke telling one of the staff that someone had just walked out with 4 cases of beer.
Staff member was basically saying "yes, we know. He is in here daily stealing stuff."

While that was happening another couple came in to help themselves to stuff and try to walk out. Again well known to the shop as there was immediate radio activity to try to head them off and evict them. I blocked one from leaving for a bit, in the expectation staff would want words, and I removed a couple of bottles of coke from their grasp, despite protestations of "Get off. I've got a broken back". Staff (understandably) didn't really want to get over-involved, but again after the event said. "Yes, they do it every day".

I have read the pearl-clutching media stories about emboldened shoplifting , but had not to date, witnessed the blatantness of it.

 

[T & P]

For those interested in the railways, they’re installing a new big fuck off traffic signal tower-thingy at the northern end of the station. At least, I’m pretty sure there was nothing there before

 

[Smick]

For those interested in the railways, they’re installing a new big fuck off traffic signal tower-thingy at the northern end of the station. At least, I’m pretty sure there was nothing there before

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Yeah, I have noticed that recently. One of two apparently. It's part of the Victoria Resignalling project. There's a gate on Leigham Vale that the engineers go in and out of.

• Replacement of all signalling equipment in the Tulse Hill, Peckham Rye and Crystal Palace areas
• Relocation of signalling control for the area to the state-of-the-art Three Bridges Rail Operating Centre (TBROC)
• Upgrade of track at key rail junctions surrounding with new, more reliable equipment.

Benefits​

• Improved reliability and performance of trains in South London and the wider region
• The new, modern equipment will mean fewer faults and fewer delays for passengers travelling on lines in South London
• Relocating the signallers for the area to the state-of-the-art Three Bridges Rail Operating Centre will help them work as a team get trains back on time when an incident occurs
• The new equipment installed will be easier to maintain, fix and find faults when something does go wrong.

London Victoria and South London resignalling programme - Network Rail

We are delivering a major package of upgrades to modernise 1980s track and signalling on the South London lines into...

www.networkrail.co.uk

 

[Tulster218]

Queen of the South has been added to Lambeth's list of local heritage assets.

Ornate public house framing the entrance to Station Rise and enclosing the south side of Station Rise. Composite pilasters, finials and stucco ornamentation add richness. One of a group of late 19th Century
commercial properties enclosing the south side of Station Rise and contributing to its high townscape value due to its topography, intimacy architectural unity, and enclosure.

Decision - Additions to the list of local heritage assets (local list) | Lambeth Council

moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk

 

[Smick]

Queen of the South has been added to Lambeth's list of local heritage assets.

Decision - Additions to the list of local heritage assets (local list) | Lambeth Council

moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk

Does that mean it has to be kept as a pub / can’t be turned into flats?

This current iteration doesn’t seem to be working. Apart from the opening weekend, I’ve never seen it that busy so am fearful for its future.

 

[technical]

No - it means architecturally it’s of local interest rather than of national interest as with listed buildings. Doesnt mean all that much in planning terms bit is another consideration if there are ideas to change the building

 

[T & P]

Does that mean it has to be kept as a pub / can’t be turned into flats?

This current iteration doesn’t seem to be working. Apart from the opening weekend, I’ve never seen it that busy so am fearful for its future.

I wonder if the smaller ground floor area available to patrons might be a reason. It’s all very well to have additional space upstairs, but the public space on the main bar downstairs is significantly smaller than the old White Hart incarnations.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Had the nearest of near passes on my bike the other day on the SCircular by Probyn Rd. For whatever reason some car passed me on the right then switched to the left to go on the SCircular.
Would welcome any improvements as the car actually touched me.

 

[Crispy]

By a quirk of ancient law, that bit of the gyratory is actually legally a racetrack, which is why so many cars accelerate as hard as possible after clearing the turn by co-op.

The TfL gyratory improvements are on indefinite hold. The govt have got them begging for scraps and this sort of thing is way down the priority list

 

[Smick]

I wonder if the smaller ground floor area available to patrons might be a reason. It’s all very well to have additional space upstairs, but the public space on the main bar downstairs is significantly smaller than the old White Hart incarnations.

The Railway is always vey busy, and Knowles does a good turn as well. TH Hotel has its moments but that site just doesn't seem to get the crowds in.

When Brian ran the White Hart, it got a good community crowd in, but nothing fancy. Drinking pints of Fosters and playing pool and dominoes. Good Guinness on sale. Every owner since has tried to do something fancy, and with a high pint price, and people just don't want it. I think at present it is £6.50 pints and "small plates" food, i.e. expensive and small portions.

 

[jimbarkanoodle]

The Railway is always vey busy, and Knowles does a good turn as well. TH Hotel has its moments but that site just doesn't seem to get the crowds in.

When Brian ran the White Hart, it got a good community crowd in, but nothing fancy. Drinking pints of Fosters and playing pool and dominoes. Good Guinness on sale. Every owner since has tried to do something fancy, and with a high pint price, and people just don't want it. I think at present it is £6.50 pints and "small plates" food, i.e. expensive and small portions.

Didn't the guy who is running it say pints would be reasonably priced? Or was that a bit of a lie for good publicity?

If pints are £6.50, which is Central London prices, then im not surprised the place isn't busy. The area already has the ponced up Tulse Hill Tavern and the historically expensive Railway, which i always begrudgingly forgave the pricing due to the regular free live entertainment and garden. A much smaller version of the two with similar pricing is an overkill. It would be shame if it didn't work out as they must have spent a lot to restore the place, and the owner does make some positive noises about caring for the local community.

 

[Smick]

Didn't the guy who is running it say pints would be reasonably priced? Or was that a bit of a lie for good publicity?

If pints are £6.50, which is Central London prices, then im not surprised the place isn't busy. The area already has the ponced up Tulse Hill Tavern and the historically expensive Railway, which i always begrudgingly forgave the pricing due to the regular free live entertainment and garden. A much smaller version of the two with similar pricing is an overkill. It would be shame if it didn't work out as they must have spent a lot to restore the place, and the owner does make some positive noises about caring for the local community.

To be fair, I think that there are cheaper pints on offer, Amstel maybe. I got something from Brixton brewery when I was in for the quiz and it was £6.50 so I didn't bother with a second pint.

I am the same with the Railway, I think they offer something more than just the price of the drink, whether that's a band, DJ, the big screen and sports watching area, or the garden and beach huts. I am 47 now so maybe won't go to a pub sober and then drink 8 pints. So, if I am having 2 or 3, an extra £3 or £5 won't kill me.

 

[T & P]

We've got a letter from Lambeth telling us rubbish collection is going fortnightly.

There are three flats at our address, and we're only allowed one standard wheelie bin and one thin one

Fuck off

 

[Smick]

We've got a letter from Lambeth telling us rubbish collection is going fortnightly.

There are three flats at our address, and we're only allowed one standard wheelie bin and one thin one

Fuck off

I think they've said they will be giving bigger bins out.

As with everything Lambeth does, there's a worthy idea behind it, but we know that it costs less to collect bins half as often.

I wonder how the relationship with the private refuse company will change, will they pay 50% as much? I am sure some binmen will get laid off.

 

[nick]

There was a consultation about fortnightly collections a few months back.
Doubtless everyone except me voted for alternate weekly collections - Heaven forfend that they would have been cynical enough to just consult for form's sake and the the result was inevitable

 

[nagapie]

We've got a letter from Lambeth telling us rubbish collection is going fortnightly.

There are three flats at our address, and we're only allowed one standard wheelie bin and one thin one

Fuck off

You can apply for a bigger bin. Then they will decide if you merit one.

 

[Smick]

I wasn't consulted and wouldn't have voted for the change if I had been.

In saying that, the building I live in has other flats which don't give a shit about waste. Never put the bins out or take them in. Throw a load of stuff into the bin about two hours after it has just been collected. Put unfolded cardboard boxes in, filling one up instantly. Put stuff into the wrong bins.

I believe that in the situation of my 4 flat building, we could have waste collection half as often if the other dicks would just think about how they dispose of their waste. Maybe not having a weekly collection will cause them to start thinking.

 

[colacubes]

Recycling and food waste will still be weekly. It’s only black bins that will be fortnightly.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

By a quirk of ancient law, that bit of the gyratory is actually legally a racetrack, which is why so many cars accelerate as hard as possible after clearing the turn by co-op.

The TfL gyratory improvements are on indefinite hold. The govt have got them begging for scraps and this sort of thing is way down the priority list

Cheers, I'll see if LCC can help, there are safer ways through but longer tbh

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

By a quirk of ancient law, that bit of the gyratory is actually legally a racetrack, which is why so many cars accelerate as hard as possible after clearing the turn by co-op.

...

tbf
most driver on that stretch won't know this and are just acting like dicks (car driver here)

 

[T & P]

Perhaps it’s because I now have dogs and play close attention to the pavement, but has anyone else noticed nobody has swept tree leaves from the pavement for weeks? There are literally several inches of fallen leaves carpeting the pavements of Norwood Road and large patches of the side streets. It’s a fucking mess.

 

[BusLanes]

We had to sweep our street/s ourselves eventually. Although in the end the council did come along and sweep the bits close to main roads

 

[edcraw]

Perhaps it’s because I now have dogs and play close attention to the pavement, but has anyone else noticed nobody has swept tree leaves from the pavement for weeks? There are literally several inches of fallen leaves carpeting the pavements of Norwood Road and large patches of the side streets. It’s a fucking mess.

I reported Christchurch Road last year on fixmystreet as it was terrible in places and got done quickly after that. It got done this year okay.

 

[Kingsmead_lurke]

Yeah, I have noticed that recently. One of two apparently. It's part of the Victoria Resignalling project. There's a gate on Leigham Vale that the engineers go in and out of.

• Replacement of all signalling equipment in the Tulse Hill, Peckham Rye and Crystal Palace areas
• Relocation of signalling control for the area to the state-of-the-art Three Bridges Rail Operating Centre (TBROC)
• Upgrade of track at key rail junctions surrounding with new, more reliable equipment.

Benefits​

• Improved reliability and performance of trains in South London and the wider region
• The new, modern equipment will mean fewer faults and fewer delays for passengers travelling on lines in South London
• Relocating the signallers for the area to the state-of-the-art Three Bridges Rail Operating Centre will help them work as a team get trains back on time when an incident occurs
• The new equipment installed will be easier to maintain, fix and find faults when something does go wrong.

London Victoria and South London resignalling programme - Network Rail

We are delivering a major package of upgrades to modernise 1980s track and signalling on the South London lines into...

www.networkrail.co.uk

The new signals are someway from thr end of the platform; possibly might mean that the southbound thameslink trains will line up to the platform and not overhang the end?

 

[Smick]

The new signals are someway from thr end of the platform; possibly might mean that the southbound thameslink trains will line up to the platform and not overhang the end?

Do trains need a signal to tell them when to go?

 

[CH1]

Do trains need a signal to tell them when to go?

I don't know the true answer but general observation at Streatham and Loughborough Junction suggests yes they do.
It does happen at LJ on the "up" line that it's green for some minutes before the train arrives - but in south London there are lots of interconnecting lines with cross-overs.
You could imagine that at Herne Hill for example there is ample scope for a train crash as there are fast non stopping services to Victoria crossing over the Thameslink route.
As one who only missed the Clapham rail disaster because late for work I would say don't wish for cut corners!

Clapham Junction rail crash - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Smick]

I don't know the true answer but general observation at Streatham and Loughborough Junction suggests yes they do.
It does happen at LJ on the "up" line that it's green for some minutes before the train arrives - but in south London there are lots of interconnecting lines with cross-overs.
You could imagine that at Herne Hill for example there is ample scope for a train crash as there are fast non stopping services to Victoria crossing over the Thameslink route.
As one who only missed the Clapham rail disaster because late for work I would say don't wish for cut corners!

Clapham Junction rail crash - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I maybe didn’t ask that correctly.

My assumption is that the driver just looks at the clock and leaves if he is on time or late, he doesn’t have to wait for a signal to leave.

So, with the new gantry in Tulse Hill, it won’t make any impact on where they stop the train to let people on and off.

 

[T & P]

I maybe didn’t ask that correctly.

My assumption is that the driver just looks at the clock and leaves if he is on time or late, he doesn’t have to wait for a signal to leave.

So, with the new gantry in Tulse Hill, it won’t make any impact on where they stop the train to let people on and off.

I’m no train buff but I’m sure I’m right in saying drivers are governed by traffic light-style signs as much as their schedule. For both operational reasons such as managing ongoing delays and changing priorities at junctions, and safety reasons if there are any obstacles, broken down trains etc just ahead.

 

[BusLanes]

Apparently there was a big protest outside the MSI Family Planning clinic on Brixton Hill earlier today. 20 or more anti abortion people at least