Truth, and propositional truth

[Jonti]

How is it that we can tell something is true? Well, we can say "The cat sat on the mat" is a true statement, because we can see the cat is sitting on the mat. Then we recognise the proposition as a true proposition.

But what is this truth that we recognise in a true proposition? It is not in the proposition itself, for it stands outside the proposition, and qualifies it.

In his lecture, On the Truth-Process, the philosopher Alain Badiou asserts that Truth is not limited to the form of judgment. But he's wonderfully obscure. Anyone got a clue what the fcuk he's banging on about?

 

[bluestreak]

this is why i do short answer philosophy.

when a cat sits on a mat, and someone says that cat is sitting on the mat, the truth in it is that the proposition accurately describes the situation.

 

[NoEgo]

Absolutely everything in life is a matter of perception. As such, there is almost no such thing, except what is.

 

[Random]

Absolutely everything in life is a matter of perception. As such, there is almost no such thing, except what is.

So what is 'what is'?

 

[Jonti]

Can't tell you. It's self evident

 

[NoEgo]

So what is 'what is'?

The Universe is.

So is this thread.

And so are the laws of supply and demand.

The truth about this discussion isn't and neither is the story about what went wrong with your mates marriage and who was to blame. That's a matter of perception.

 

[thought]

At the end of the day, everything we see around us is "energy" That as far as i can make out is the only truth.

But then I have been taught that.. and we have no way in really challenging our teaching....

Everything else is up to our interpretation of facts / experience / research..

thus the only "truth" we have, is our own interpretation of events, and that is based on assumptions we have made... After all we are taught some weird things in life arent we... Does santa have a key???

 

[Random]

The Universe is.

So is this thread.

And so are the laws of supply and demand.

The truth about this discussion isn't and neither is the story about what went wrong with your mates marriage and who was to blame. That's a matter of perception.

Ah, so 'what is' is 'what I say is'.

 

[Aldebaran]

How is it that we can tell something is true? Well, we can say "The cat sat on the mat" is a true statement, because we can see the cat is sitting on the mat. Then we recognise the proposition as a true proposition.

A true proposition does not lead, nor does it invite, to the discovery of a "truth", it only means the proposition is true.

Truth is not limited to the form of judgment

Of course truth (obviously) is not limited to the form of judgement. Judgement can only form a truth - or decide about it - for the judge (or "observer") even if multiple observers come to the same formation of truth by use of other judgement.

salaam.

 

[NoEgo]

Ah, so 'what is' is 'what I say is'.

No. It depends on what I say. Please see above.

 

[fela fan]

Truth is available to those that see it.

Propositional truth is a human-manufactured truth. This can only be conveyed by language, and often has nothing to do with real truth.

The truth, the bigger truth, the only true truth, is the universe and what happens in it. Whether there is an observer or not, it happens.

The grass grows, the sun rises in the morning, i hear birds when i wake up, the frangipani is flowering today, the water in the stream never stops moving, and that big wonderful mountain i see every day reminds me of this wonderful truth.

If language is too weak to capture what truth is, then it ain't the truth. It'll either be a propositional truth, or a lie, or a mistake.

 

[forked brain]

Does santa have a key???

No he does not, it's my fucking house, why would I give a copy of my key to some old fart in a red costume. But, on xmas eve, I give my 4 year old daughter a key* for santa, which she leaves outside the back door so santa can get in, because we don't have a chimney


* Not a real key ffs