Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[The39thStep]

They have been humiliated. "Regularly" is debatable. They've been confronted and it's gone both ways.

I'm glad that the union movement is finally acknowledging the importance of this issue. However this article is another example (in places) of the chronic desire to punch leftward.

Yes we should celebrate Anna Campbell as a hero. But also remember that she was a vegan, gender activist, hunt saboteur and activist with the AFN. I.e one of the "radical liberal" tradition routinely despised here.

If the 'desire to punch leftward' is an attempt to put antifascism more on a working class footing then I am all for it. With all due respect to those who have died fighting ISIS I really am not bothered about their choice of diet, views on hunting, sexuality or what group they were in.

 

[Red Sky]

If the 'desire to punch leftward' is an attempt to put antifascism more on a working class footing then I am all for it. With all due respect to those who have died fighting ISIS I really am not bothered about their choice of diet, views on hunting, sexuality or what group they were in.

Not interested in the slightest in what motivated them to support that struggle? Odd position.

The presumption that anti fascism wasn't on a working class footing before is what makes the article punch leftward.

That it needed rescuing from people like Anna Campbell.

 

[The39thStep]

Not interested in the slightest in what motivated them to support that struggle? Odd position.

The presumption that anti fascism wasn't on a working class footing before is what makes the article punch leftward.

That it needed rescuing from people like Anna Campbell.

Theres a wide range of motivations for fighting ISIS .If you are saying being a vegan or a hunt sab is one of them fine but personally I dont buy into id-kit antifascism. It takes all sorts tbh and I can only admire her bravery and the other volunteers bravery what ever reasons they had. As for the presumption whats wrong with it?

 

[Red Sky]

Theres a wide range of motivations for fighting ISIS .If you are saying being a vegan or a hunt sab is one of them fine but personally I dont buy into id-kit antifascism. It takes all sorts tbh and I can only admire her bravery and the other volunteers bravery what ever reasons they had. As for the presumption whats wrong with it?

What's "id kit" anti fascism?

The presumption, tirelessly repeated on here and elsewhere is just way off the mark. Both in terms of politics and the people involved.

 

[hot air baboon]

Not one YPG volunteer has promoted the far right, not even Ukip.
This issue belongs to the left, by rights.

Theres a wide range of motivations for fighting ISIS .

this character for example - a peshmerga volunteer

 

[8ball]

Yes we should celebrate Anna Campbell as a hero. But also remember that she was a vegan, gender activist, hunt saboteur and activist with the AFN. I.e one of the "radical liberal" tradition routinely despised here.

There really needs be an agreed definition of "liberal" that we can put in the FAQs.

 

[krtek a houby]

There really needs be an agreed definition of "liberal" that we can put in the FAQs.

You have the 'murican definition which seems to include anyone outside of the GOP way of thinking, so it's a bit of a nebulous ask.

 

[8ball]

You have the 'murican definition which seems to include anyone outside of the GOP way of thinking, so it's a bit of a nebulous ask.

If we're going to have an insult with no agreed specific content, what was wrong with "cunt"?

 

[emanymton]

There really needs be an agreed definition of "liberal" that we can put in the FAQs.

Person I disagree with.

 

[krtek a houby]

If we're going to have an insult with no agreed specific content, what was wrong with "cunt"?

Yeah, sure but to some 'muricans left = liberals.

 

[Humberto]

Lib dems, Blairites, vicars, loves Obama, thinks giving fringe hard right wingers platforms is balance

someone will be along with an actual definition

 

[Magnus McGinty]

People who tend towards rights activism but don’t necessarily think capitalism is the problem; just the form it’s in / how it’s managed is left liberalism (there’s probably better definitions).

 

[Arbeter Fraynd]

People who tend towards rights activism but don’t necessarily think capitalism is the problem; just the form it’s in / how it’s managed is left liberalism (there’s probably better definitions).

I'm pretty sure that doesn't cover Anna Campbell

 

[8ball]

People who tend towards rights activism but don’t necessarily think capitalism is the problem; just the form it’s in / how it’s managed is left liberalism (there’s probably better definitions).

Capitalism - there's another word that gets used a bunch of different ways...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't cover Anna Campbell

I didn’t realise the question involved her.

 

[treelover]

Teenager QUITS college after being shamed for supporting Tommy Robinson

Teenage allegedly told to get out of room, frightened to go back to training course, for endorsing Tommy Robinson. Not defending Robinson, but she is 17, her dad is a TR supporter, if this has happened in the seventies/early 80's, Ricky Tomlinson, Billy Bragg, plenty in Searchlight, and lots of other working class men would have lost their jobs, etc.

of course she could have said much more we don't know about,

 

[8ball]

Teenager QUITS college after being shamed for supporting Tommy Robinson

Teenage allegedly told to get out of room, frightened to go back to training course, for endorsing Tommy Robinson. Not defending Robinson, but she is 17, her dad is a TR supporter, if this has happened in the seventies/early 80's, Ricky Tomlinson, Billy Bragg, plenty in Searchlight, and lots of other working class men would have lost their jobs, etc.

of course she could have said much more we don't know about,

I don't think these are youngsters that we should be pushing away from education - quite the opposite.

 

[The39thStep]

this character for example - a peshmerga volunteer

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Not sure he fought with the YPG . There's been some, mainly Yanks, who have fought alongside Syrian Christian militia . There's a case coming up in November of a returned volunteer charged with terrorism , he's in Belmarsh at the moment and suffers from mental health issues . His girlfriend has been trying to lobby UKIP to take up his case .

 

[sim667]

Teenager QUITS college after being shamed for supporting Tommy Robinson

Teenage allegedly told to get out of room, frightened to go back to training course, for endorsing Tommy Robinson. Not defending Robinson, but she is 17, her dad is a TR supporter, if this has happened in the seventies/early 80's, Ricky Tomlinson, Billy Bragg, plenty in Searchlight, and lots of other working class men would have lost their jobs, etc.

of course she could have said much more we don't know about,

I suspect this didn't actually happen, and she's simply salty that people disagreed with her.

 

[treelover]

It has got massive traction on Robinsons FB site.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

My daughter finished secondary school in Tottenham recently and there was some alt-right spends too much time on the internet twat in some of her classes.

I was surprised about how tolerant the school and other pupils seemed to be, given the infuriating sexist and crypto-racist stuff he seemed to be coming out with. Everyone thought he was a dickhead and he came off worse in discussions, but I think that was about the extent of it.

 

[8ball]

I suspect this didn't actually happen, and she's simply salty that people disagreed with her.

What makes you suspect this?

 

[chilango]

What makes you suspect this?

Reading the linked article.

Certainly made me suspect that the headline was at least misleading.

 

[sim667]

What makes you suspect this?

Having worked as a lecturer for 16 - 18's.

Also why hasn't the paper asked the college for comment?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

What makes you suspect this?

I think there is a clear contradiction between the pupil's account of what happened and the statement from the college at the end.

 

[8ball]

Reading the linked article.

Certainly made me suspect that the headline was at least misleading.

You mean the "final warning" bit. That does look a bit elaborated.

 

[chilango]

You mean the "final warning" bit. That does look a bit elaborated.

I mean the entire story.

It really doesn't read like a true account of something that would've actually happened in a classroom.

 

[8ball]

I mean the entire story.

It really doesn't read like a true account of something that would've actually happened in a classroom.

Some of the reporting looks a little ropey but it reads exactly like how people tend to behave when confronted with views they don't like.

 

[chilango]

Some of the reporting looks a little ropey but it reads exactly like how people tend to behave when confronted with views they don't like.

In classrooms? Nah.

I spent a lot of time in them (10s of thousands of hours in all kinds of capacity in all kinds of provisions) and I've never witnessed anything resembling that account.

Something might well have happened. Or more likely a number of separate, unrelated things might have happened, that have been selectively cobbled together to form this story.

But I would be astonished if the above report bore even a passing resemblance to what actually happened.

 

[8ball]

In classrooms? Nah.

I spent a lot of time in them (10s of thousands of hours in all kinds of capacity in all kinds of provisions) and I've never witnessed anything resembling that account.

Something might well have happened. Or more likely a number of separate, unrelated things might have happened, that have been selectively cobbled together to form this story.

But I would be astonished if the above report bore even a passing resemblance to what actually happened.

That would prove that never happened, then.