but the stress for robinson just continues. good.
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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If all his supporters are genuine fash we’re really not in a good position at the moment.
So let’s not wish that upon ourselves.
He’s being clever in his strategy to cast the net wider than genuine fash anyway. We can’t write off everyone who is falling for it.
FridgeMagnet
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Anyone who actually turns up outside the Old Bailey is going to be far right or very unbothered by associating with them.
Is everyone who supports him generally a fascist? No, but increasingly so, as it becomes increasingly obvious where all this comes from (this coincides with the vast decrease in numbers turning out for FLA-related stuff). The rallies are far right ones now and the number of people who think they're there for anything else is way down. Nowadays it's basically the EDL mk ii.
Yes, this is how it looks from a particular viewpoint. But from another, there’s people who are dissatisfied with the way things are and are becoming politicised so at the moment the likes of Robinson appears to be the radical choice for some of those people; it’s a mistake and a tragedy that the left not only drove them there but are willing to write them off as fascists so easily.
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FridgeMagnet
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I'm not just saying this because I read it on SUTR or something - I've physically followed marches and rallies around this area for a while and the sort of people who turn up now are very different to, say, the second big FLA march which had tens of thousands. The motivations that people have are complex and I don't want to generalise but the increasingly naked far right political message combined with the falling turnouts and the widely-stated "we don't want politics in here, we just want to be heard" point say to me that people are being turned off, and fewer and fewer are turning to Robinson and surrounding movements because of alienation or whatever. They may be dissatisfied (who isn't) but they aren't going that way because it just looks like more political and/or showbiz cunts who don't give a shit.
Oh and "the left" didn't drive anyone anywhere.
Yeah, complaints about Muslim rape gangs being routinely dismissed, or accused of racism; complaints about immigration being routinely dismissed, or accused of racism by well meaning liberals played no part in the aggressive rise of the far right across Europe.
After all - anyone giving such a complaint can be dismissed as such. And you’re doing it right now.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Sorry, for a moment there I thought you might actually be interested in talking about what was actually happening rather than trotting out a bog standard party line, but clearly that's not the case. Go for it but I'm not listening.
Thanks for replying.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
You can of course provide evidence of the left (which you seem to assume has some kind of unified voice that actually has an impact on shit) doing these things?
Are you even watching the show?
The whole identity politics schtik is all about replacing the inconvenient working class for a new one that ticks more palatable boxes.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
So no then.
Or, you don’t need your hand held to see the evidence.
I CBA really. Accept it or don’t.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Before reading and absorbing information as fact you are aware to ponder if someone is trying to sell you an agenda
Right..
Very few of his supporters are "genuine fash" if by that you mean ideological fascists. Generation Identity might fit the bill. The Stormfront crowd and Nick Griffin think he's a Zionist shill.
But in a way that makes his whole off the cuff ultra nationalism more dangerous, more in tune with common sense and the Shitegeist.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Most of them are around or sympathetic mainly to UKIP and a smaller amount for For Britain rather than fash, still quite unpleasant far right agenda.The only fash group who is nibbling is Gen ID who sems to be accepted if seen as at the margins.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
UKIP should run a campaign on repeal the comtempt lawsView attachment 148384 This guy got the hump about a newsthump postwhich basically said if Tommy doesn't like our laws he should leave the country
which set this guy off on a epic Gammon rant
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
Funnily enough, as a catholic, TR never seems to mention the institutionalised abuse of children within his own religion.
His interests aren't protecting children, his interests are having a go at people with brown skin.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Every catholic should have to sign a statement - in public - that they don't support paedos. Or bombs and that.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Signed in blood , with a cross.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Of course plenty of Catholics have brown skin and plenty of Muslims don't - but yeah, I get it.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
In the context of the world, yeah thats certainly the case..... but in the mind of the idiots who dwell in the UK, there's a clear definition of what the perceive of each.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Humberto
minor kerfuffles ensue
As others have said, and as good posters on here have done, we need to distance ourselves from those who would sooner decry the sensibilities of the nascent nabobs of working class concerns rather than fight them on their own turf, and win.
We should be bringing the class together, and as the article linked above says, to fight for left solutions. e.g. blow up empty falsehoods, fight tooth and nail for the concerns of our communities. Liberals are not our friends. They are an arm of the establishment. Their poison ruins our streets. e.g. cuts to all services and rise in violent crime. Or how it impoverishes, for instance the rise in homelessness.
Call it what you will, I call it a careless approach to verifying the difference between left and right causes. That may offend some, so I'll say at least I find this website a good read, and I'm not saying otherwise. Still, to give in to liberalism is a grave mistake, to let them extenuate the one and feed the other, both poison.
We should be bringing the class together, and as the article linked above says, to fight for left solutions. e.g. blow up empty falsehoods, fight tooth and nail for the concerns of our communities. Liberals are not our friends. They are an arm of the establishment. Their poison ruins our streets. e.g. cuts to all services and rise in violent crime. Or how it impoverishes, for instance the rise in homelessness.
Call it what you will, I call it a careless approach to verifying the difference between left and right causes. That may offend some, so I'll say at least I find this website a good read, and I'm not saying otherwise. Still, to give in to liberalism is a grave mistake, to let them extenuate the one and feed the other, both poison.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Possibly. But it's not just liberals and the middle classes who keep electing the Tories to government.
How does the fact that the far right have been "humiliated regularly on the streets by anti fascists " square with the idea that anti fascism in its most recent incarnation has been "predominantly liberal"?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
He gets his terminology a bit mixed up and actually I dont agree with his view that the far right have ben regularly humiliated. However you can have liberal intolerance and that can include violence and direct action , as in sections of the American liberal identity mileiu and its UK adherents , whereby no platform is extended to all sorts of views whilst at the same time embracing liberal identity politics /values.
They have been humiliated. "Regularly" is debatable. They've been confronted and it's gone both ways.
I'm glad that the union movement is finally acknowledging the importance of this issue. However this article is another example (in places) of the chronic desire to punch leftward.
Yes we should celebrate Anna Campbell as a hero. But also remember that she was a vegan, gender activist, hunt saboteur and activist with the AFN. I.e one of the "radical liberal" tradition routinely despised here.
